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Re: [Healeys] Bastuck

To: David Lodge <emmgeeteesee@gmail.com>, Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Bastuck
From: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 21:51:35 -0700
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Well, they claim to have an 'upgraded' part (guess that's kinda German, 
too ;)


On 8/30/2021 1:27 PM, David Lodge wrote:
> Being German, I imagine that the quality is first-rate.  They have the 
> best darned Healey catalogue I've ever seen!
>
>
> On Sunday, 29 August 2021, 07:01:03 GMT-7, Bob Spidell 
> <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> In the second illustration on BPN it shows a (claimed) larger 
> scalloped area on the impeller. Sounds reasonable but, according to 
> Moss, it won't fit the original heater cutoff valve, which I have and 
> would like to keep (one from Moss is almost $180).
>
>
> On 8/29/2021 4:26 AM, Michael Oritt wrote:
> Bob--
>
> Thanks and in checking the Moss catalogue this morning I see that in 
> fact they do sell the two side-by-side as you state at $96.00 and 
> $163.00 respectively.  That is an 80% increase in price for the 
> "upgraded" pump and I must wonder what the pump achieves--and how it 
> does it--to justify such an increase.  "Upgrade" might have several 
> meanings and given the propensity of these pumps to fail, perhaps 
> the term describes longevity versus performance, with a better-quality 
> seal.  OTOH if the upgrade is in performance that usually means 
> increased water flow.  Unless the outer housing is substantially 
> larger the cast-in "fins" on the internal impeller cannot be that much 
> larger and so I wonder how such an increase would be achieved.
>
> Just sayin'....
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 11:07 PM Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net 
>
>     Michael,
>
>     The 'upgraded' pump sold by Moss, Bastuck and BPN all appear to be
>     the same:
>
>     https://www.bpnorthwest.com/water-pump-uprated-bn1-to-bn2.html
>     <https://www.bpnorthwest.com/water-pump-uprated-bn1-to-bn2.html>
>
>     (if you look close you can see '--STUCK' on the pump body)
>
>     Claims '30% more flow,' BUT--there's always a 'but'--per the Moss
>     catalog it will not fit the OEM brass heater line valve/nipple.
>     The cheaper one Moss sells supposedly does, but best I can tell
>     it's a County product. I've bad experiences with County, but both
>     Tom Monaco and David Nock say they have fit many with no issues.
>
>     The new one from AHSpares appears to be different, but also comes
>     with a barbed nipple:
>
>     
> https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/cooling-heating-cht101-to-cht147/premium-water-pump-new-with-34-pulley.aspx
>     
> <https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/cooling-heating-cht101-to-cht147/premium-water-pump-new-with-34-pulley.aspx>
>
>
>     I started to remove my pump, but found the pulley was loose; pump
>     appears to be OK.
>
>     Bob
>


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    Well, they claim to have an 'upgraded' part (guess that's kinda
    German, too ;)<br>
    <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/30/2021 1:27 PM, David Lodge
      wrote:<br>
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        <div data-setdir="false" dir="ltr">Being German, I imagine that
          the quality is first-rate.  They have the best darned Healey
          catalogue I've ever seen!<br>
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          <div> On Sunday, 29 August 2021, 07:01:03 GMT-7, Bob Spidell
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href="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";>&lt;bspidell@comcast.net&gt;</a> wrote: 
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              <div> In the second illustration on BPN it shows a
                (claimed) larger scalloped area on the impeller. Sounds
                reasonable but, according to Moss, it won't fit the
                original heater cutoff valve, which I have and would
                like to keep (one from Moss is almost $180).<br
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                  <div class="yiv9407397241moz-cite-prefix">On 8/29/2021
                    4:26 AM, Michael Oritt wrote:<br clear="none">
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                    <div class="yiv9407397241gmail_default"
                      style="color:#3333ff;">Bob--</div>
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                    <div class="yiv9407397241gmail_default"
                      style="color:#3333ff;">Thanks and in checking the
                      Moss catalogue this morning I see that in fact
                      they do sell the two side-by-side as you state at
                      $96.00 and $163.00 respectively.  That is an 80%
                      increase in price for the "upgraded" pump and I
                      must wonder what the pump achieves--and how it
                      does it--to justify such an increase.  "Upgrade"
                      might have several meanings and given the
                      propensity of these pumps to fail, perhaps
                      the term describes longevity versus performance,
                      with a better-quality seal.  OTOH if the upgrade
                      is in performance that usually means increased
                      water flow.  Unless the outer housing is
                      substantially larger the cast-in "fins" on the
                      internal impeller cannot be that much larger
                      and so I wonder how such an increase would be
                      achieved.</div>
                    <div class="yiv9407397241gmail_default"
                      style="color:#3333ff;"><br clear="none">
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                    <div class="yiv9407397241gmail_default"
                      style="color:#3333ff;">Just sayin'.... </div>
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                    <div class="yiv9407397241gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On
                      Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 11:07 PM Bob Spidell &lt;<a
                        rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect"
                        ymailto="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";
                        target="_blank"
                        href="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";
                        moz-do-not-send="true">bspidell@comcast.net</a>&gt;
                      wrote:<br clear="none">
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                      <div> Michael,<br clear="none">
                        <br clear="none">
                        The 'upgraded' pump sold by Moss, Bastuck and
                        BPN all appear to be the same:<br clear="none">
                        <br clear="none">
                        <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer"
                          shape="rect" target="_blank"
                          
href="https://www.bpnorthwest.com/water-pump-uprated-bn1-to-bn2.html";
                          
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.bpnorthwest.com/water-pump-uprated-bn1-to-bn2.html</a><br
                          clear="none">
                        <br clear="none">
                        (if you look close you can see '--STUCK' on the
                        pump body)<br clear="none">
                        <br clear="none">
                        Claims '30% more flow,' BUT--there's always a
                        'but'--per the Moss catalog it will not fit the
                        OEM brass heater line valve/nipple. The cheaper
                        one Moss sells supposedly does, but best I can
                        tell it's a County product. I've bad experiences
                        with County, but both Tom Monaco and David Nock
                        say they have fit many with no issues.<br
                          clear="none">
                        <br clear="none">
                        The new one from AHSpares appears to be
                        different, but also comes with a barbed nipple:<br
                          clear="none">
                        <br clear="none">
                        <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer"
                          shape="rect" target="_blank"
href="https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/cooling-heating-cht101-to-cht147/premium-water-pump-new-with-34-pulley.aspx";
                          
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/cooling-heating-cht101-to-cht147/premium-water-pump-new-with-34-pulley.aspx</a><br
                          clear="none">
                        <br clear="none">
                        <br clear="none">
                        I started to remove my pump, but found the
                        pulley was loose; pump appears to be OK.<br
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                        <br clear="none">
                        Bob<br clear="none">
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