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Re: [Healeys] Steering box rebuild part two

To: "Ricchardd Mayor" <boyracer466@gmail.com>, "Perry Small" <healeyguy@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Steering box rebuild part two
From: David Nock via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2022 09:44:20 -0800
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After re soldering the tube in place put a small bead of black silicone =
around the joint to make sure it is sealed.=20


David Nock
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From: Ricchardd Mayor=20
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 9:10 AM
To: Perry Small=20
Cc: healeys=20
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Steering box rebuild part two

Reassembly of tube:  After cleaning both surfaces I apply some rosin =
flux to both surfaces and reinsert the tube. I then use an oxy torch to =
heat the box and tube and apply rosin core solder to the joint.  It =
doesn=E2=80=99t take very much solder.   =20
When you think about it, after it cools there is little or no stress on =
the joint. The box is bolted to the chassis with 3 big bolts.  The =
column is clamped to the brace on the bulkhead and there is (or should =
be) a brace on the side from the column clamp to the A pillar area. =
Turning the steering wheel does not put any stress on the column. Having =
said that, if the column is bent, or if the steering shaft is bent, =
there will be some side pressure on the column and that will be applied =
to the upper end of the column through the large felt bushing.


Richard Mayor
Portland, Oregon
boyracer466@gmail.com






  On Feb 15, 2022, at 5:01 PM, Perry Small via Healeys =
<healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:

  I have not dismantled tube from box previously but have put one back =
together for an owner.=20
  Cleaned the mating surfaces gently with a wire brush and heated with =
propane torch until the tube would slide back into the box.
  Warmed again and tried to add solder to insure a seal at the joint.=20
  Seemed to work ok. Suspect dismantling would work the same.=20
  P


  Sent from my iPhone


    On Feb 15, 2022, at 4:59 PM, Michael Salter via Healeys =
<healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:


    =EF=BB=BF=20
    Answered my own question ... yes ... easy as =F0=9F=98=8A

    On Tue., Feb. 15, 2022, 4:27 p.m. Michael Salter, =
<michaelsalter@gmail.com> wrote:

      Next question  ... this applies to the later BN2 steering box.=20
      The steering box tube appears to be soldered onto the cast steel =
steering box itself.
      I need to remove the tube to straighten it. Is this just a case of =
heating gently and pulling the tube out?
      Thanks.

      M



      On Tue., Feb. 15, 2022, 4:19 p.m. Michael Salter, =
<michaelsalter@gmail.com> wrote:

        Well, while we are on the subject of steering boxes=20
        1. I have 2 steering shafts but the worms have different part =
numbers. =20
        One, dated 4 56 has the number 16390N=20
        The other dated 4 58 has the number 16390 ( no N)  and that one =
has serrations on the upper circumference. (See pic)
        Otherwise these appear to be identical  ... does anyone know =
what the difference is?

        M

        On Tue., Feb. 15, 2022, 2:51 p.m. Henry G Leach via Healeys, =
<healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:

          That is good work, Ray! Bet the steering feel is perfect. Wish =
you could do my sloppy steering.  Hank


          -----------------------------------------

          From: "Ray Juncal via Healeys"=20
          To: "List Healey"
          Cc:=20
          Sent: Tuesday February 15 2022 11:33:43AM
          Subject: [Healeys] Steering box rebuild part two


             Here's some additional photos that wouldn't fit in the =
first post. Also interesting info courtesy of Steve Pike about set up. =
There is a slot in the end of the shaft and on the Pitman arm. Align =
these slots so that the arm and the "peg" ( the follower that rides in =
the worm gear above ) are in the correct relationship.

             The high spot on the worm gear may not be exactly on center =
lock to lock. You may want to find that spot and mark it on the arm or =
shaft with a corresponding mark on the case as a starting point to align =
the wheels. Steve I hope I explained that right. If not please clarify.

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<DIV>After re soldering the tube in place put a small bead of black =
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around the joint to make sure it is sealed. </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century'; COLOR: =
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Nock<BR>healeydoc@sbcglobal.net<BR>209 948=20
8767<BR>www.britishcarspecialists.com<BR><BR>Help us have our Founder =
Norman=20
Nock inducteed into the <BR>British Sportscar Hall of Fame, You can vote =
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
title=3Dboyracer466@gmail.com>Ricchardd Mayor</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 16, 2022 9:10 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dhealeyguy@aol.com>Perry Small</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=3Dhealeys@autox.team.net>healeys</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Healeys] Steering box rebuild part=20
two</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
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style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
DISPLAY: inline'>Reassembly=20
of tube:&nbsp; After cleaning both surfaces I apply some rosin flux to =
both=20
surfaces and reinsert the tube. I then use an oxy torch to heat the box =
and tube=20
and apply rosin core solder to the joint.&nbsp; It doesn=E2=80=99t take =
very much=20
solder.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
<DIV>When you think about it, after it cools there is little or no =
stress on the=20
joint. The box is bolted to the chassis with 3 big bolts.&nbsp; The =
column is=20
clamped to the brace on the bulkhead and there is (or should be) a brace =
on the=20
side from the column clamp to the A pillar area. Turning the steering =
wheel does=20
not put any stress on the column. Having said that, if the column is =
bent, or if=20
the steering shaft is bent, there will be some side pressure on the =
column and=20
that will be applied to the upper end of the column through the large =
felt=20
bushing.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV>Richard Mayor</DIV>
<DIV>Portland, Oregon</DIV>
<DIV><A>boyracer466@gmail.com</A></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
  <DIV>On Feb 15, 2022, at 5:01 PM, Perry Small via Healeys=20
  &lt;<A>healeys@autox.team.net</A>&gt; wrote:</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN=20
  style=3D"WHITE-SPACE: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; =
FLOAT: none; FONT: 12px helvetica; DISPLAY: inline !important; =
LETTER-SPACING: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: =
0px">I=20
  have not dismantled tube from box previously but have put one back =
together=20
  for an owner. </SPAN>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"WHITE-SPACE: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; =
FONT: 12px helvetica; LETTER-SPACING: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px">Cleaned=20
  the mating surfaces gently with a wire brush and heated with propane =
torch=20
  until the tube would slide back into the box.</DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"WHITE-SPACE: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; =
FONT: 12px helvetica; LETTER-SPACING: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px">Warmed=20
  again and tried to add solder to insure a seal at the joint. </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"WHITE-SPACE: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; =
FONT: 12px helvetica; LETTER-SPACING: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px">Seemed=20
  to work ok. Suspect dismantling would work the same. </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"WHITE-SPACE: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; =
FONT: 12px helvetica; LETTER-SPACING: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px">P<BR><BR>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr>Sent from my iPhone</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr><BR>
  <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">On Feb 15, 2022, at 4:59 PM, Michael Salter =
via=20
    Healeys &lt;<A>healeys@autox.team.net</A>&gt;=20
wrote:<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
    <DIV dir=3Dltr>=EF=BB=BF=20
    <DIV>Answered my own question ... yes ... easy as =F0=9F=98=8A</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>
    <DIV class=3Dgmail_attr dir=3Dltr>On Tue., Feb. 15, 2022, 4:27 p.m. =
Michael=20
    Salter, &lt;<A>michaelsalter@gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:<BR></DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote=20
    style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; =
MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
      <DIV>Next question&nbsp; ... this applies to the later BN2 =
steering box.=20
      <DIV>The steering box tube appears to be soldered onto the cast =
steel=20
      steering box itself.</DIV>
      <DIV>I need to remove the tube to straighten it. Is this just a =
case of=20
      heating gently and pulling the tube out?</DIV>
      <DIV>Thanks.</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>M</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>
      <DIV class=3Dgmail_attr dir=3Dltr>On Tue., Feb. 15, 2022, 4:19 =
p.m. Michael=20
      Salter, &lt;<A rel=3Dnoreferrer=20
      target=3D_blank>michaelsalter@gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:<BR></DIV>
      <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote=20
      style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px =
solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
        <DIV>Well, while we are on the subject of steering boxes=20
        <DIV>1. I have 2 steering shafts but the worms have different =
part=20
        numbers.&nbsp; </DIV>
        <DIV>One, dated 4 56 has the number 16390N </DIV>
        <DIV>The other dated 4 58 has the number 16390 ( no N)&nbsp; and =
that=20
        one has serrations on the upper circumference. (See pic)</DIV>
        <DIV>Otherwise these appear to be identical&nbsp; ... does =
anyone know=20
        what the difference is?</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>M</DIV></DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>
        <DIV class=3Dgmail_attr dir=3Dltr>On Tue., Feb. 15, 2022, 2:51 =
p.m. Henry G=20
        Leach via Healeys, &lt;<A rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer =
noreferrer"=20
        target=3D_blank>healeys@autox.team.net</A>&gt; wrote:<BR></DIV>
        <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote=20
        style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px =
solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
          <DIV>That is good work, Ray! Bet the steering feel is perfect. =
Wish=20
          you could do my sloppy steering.&nbsp; Hank<BR><BR>
          <DIV></DIV>
          <P>-----------------------------------------</P>From: "Ray =
Juncal via=20
          Healeys"<SPAN =
class=3DApple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN><U></U><BR>To:=20
          "List Healey"<BR>Cc:<SPAN=20
          class=3DApple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN><BR>Sent: Tuesday =
February 15=20
          2022 11:33:43AM<BR>Subject: [Healeys] Steering box rebuild =
part=20
          two<BR><BR>
          <DIV=20
          style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica Neue', =
helvetica, arial, sans-serif">
          <DIV dir=3Dltr>&nbsp;&nbsp; Here's some additional photos that =
wouldn't=20
          fit in the first post. Also interesting info courtesy of Steve =
Pike=20
          about set up. There is a slot in the end of the shaft and on =
the=20
          Pitman arm. Align these slots so that the arm and the "peg" ( =
the=20
          follower that rides in the worm gear above ) are in the =
correct=20
          relationship.<BR></DIV>
          <DIV dir=3Dltr>&nbsp;&nbsp; The high spot on the worm gear may =
not be=20
          exactly on center lock to lock. You may want to find that spot =
and=20
          mark it on the arm or shaft with a corresponding mark on the =
case as a=20
          starting point to align the wheels. Steve I hope I explained =
that=20
          right. If not please=20
          =
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