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I had a similar miss that was caused by a leaf that had gotten into the
tank. It would be pulled against the pickup by fuel flow and cause the
engine to lose power on all cylinders, as opposed to a miss. When I either
got off the gas pedal or shut the engine down the leaf would apparently
fall away from the pickup and everything would be fine until the leaf was
once again pulled against the pickup, etc. etc.
I empirically came up with this theory after I pulled the fuel sender,
searched around in the tank with a flashlight and found the leaf, and after
I removed it the miss went away. How the leaf got into the tank when the
fuel filler is inside the boot is a larger issue I never figured out.
Best--Michael Oritt
On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 11:01 AM Don Anglesey via Healeys <
healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
> I suspect that when the tank is filled any sediment or debris around the
> tank intake is redistributed thru the fuel then it settles again. Classi=
c
> sign of bad fuel filter or sediment in tank.
>
> Don
>
>
>
>
>
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> Windows
>
>
>
> *From: *Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
> *Sent: *Thursday, September 29, 2022 8:10 AM
> *To: *Alan Seigrist <healey.nut@gmail.com>
> *Cc: *Healey list <healeys@autox.team.net>
> *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] Austin Healey 100 Misfire Diagnosis.
>
>
>
> Thanks to all who have obviously given this misfire issue considerable
> thought. I will be sure to check all suggestions.
>
> I should like to point out however that it is the immediate vanishing of
> the misfire after filling the fuel tank that has me confused.
>
> This has happened three times simce the problem appeared.
>
> I just don't understand how an ignition problem could change as a result
> of filling the tank.
>
> Furthermore I'm convinced that this is not a fuel starvation problem
> because the amount of engine power being used has no effect.
>
> Totally baffled.
>
> Thanks again to all ... I'll report back.
>
>
>
> On Thu., Sep. 29, 2022, 9:14 a.m. Alan Seigrist via Healeys, <
> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Hi John -
>
>
>
> Yes, that was the point I was trying to make, sorry if it fell through ba=
d
> interpretation! As Ed McMahon used to say, "You Are Correct Sir!"
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Alan
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 7:53 PM john harper <ah100tech@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Alan
>
>
>
> Coils can fail with heat and then recover when cooled. I had one that had
> these symptoms and when looking closely I saw that the insulating oil had
> run out through a very small crack in the bottom of the case.
>
>
>
> On Thu, 29 Sept 2022 at 10:34, Alan Seigrist <healey.nut@gmail.com> wrote=
:
>
> Michael -
>
> Just as a follow up to my email since the symptoms seem to manifest
> themself ...
>
> - whether the car is warmed up or not - this typically will exclude
> anything related to fuel or the coil
> - whether the car is under load or not - this typically will exclude
> anything related to fuel
> - whether the choke is pulled or not - this typically will exclude
> anything related to fuel
> - somewhat intermittent but systematically under all conditions -
> suggests to me wiring / ground issues
>
> Given this I'd check (as a priority):
>
> - Battery Master (when these fail they will ground the coil)
> - primary ignition wire (white) from the switch to coil (cycle the
> connections)
> - motor ground straps (cycle the connections)
> - loose wires in the dizzy
> - loose ignition wires into the dizzy or spark plug
>
> Other things to possibly do (as secondary):
>
> - replace rotor
> - replace dizzy cap
>
> I don't think it would be contacts or condensor simply because this would
> either be very regular all the time, or maybe sensitive to temp.
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Alan
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 4:46 PM Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> re: "... I don=E2=80=99t recall if that wire is separate from the distrib=
utor wire
> ..."
>
> It is (or should be). If the battery switch is in the 'OFF' position it
> grounds the coil primary so no spark.
>
> On 9/28/2022 8:34 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote:
>
> Hi Michael -
>
>
>
> Have you tried cycling the connections on the white wire from the ignitio=
n
> switch to the coil, and also from the coil to the distributor.
>
>
>
> You might also want to try disconnecting the black and white wire at the
> coil from the battery master switch - if it=E2=80=99s failing you=E2=80=
=99ll get weird
> symptoms like this. If that wire is disconnected the car should run no
> problem. I don=E2=80=99t recall if that wire is separate from the distri=
butor
> wire, if it isn=E2=80=99t you=E2=80=99ll have to disconnect it from under=
neath the master
> switch itself.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Alan
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">I had=
a similar miss that was caused by a leaf that had gotten into the tank.=C2=
=A0 It would be pulled against the pickup by fuel flow and cause the engine=
to lose power on all cylinders, as opposed to a miss.=C2=A0 When I either =
got off the gas pedal or shut the engine down the leaf would apparently fal=
l away from the pickup and everything would be fine until the leaf was once=
again pulled against the pickup, etc. etc.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_=
default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" sty=
le=3D"color:#3333ff">I empirically came up with this theory after I pulled =
the fuel sender, searched around in the tank with a flashlight and found th=
e leaf, and after I removed it the miss went away.=C2=A0 How the leaf got i=
nto the tank when the fuel filler is inside the boot is a larger issue I ne=
ver figured out.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">=
<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Best--Michae=
l Oritt</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div=
></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr"=
>On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 11:01 AM Don Anglesey via Healeys <<a href=3D"m=
ailto:healeys@autox.team.net">healeys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></di=
v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;borde=
r-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"msg-78502=
46941406118022">
<div lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;">
<div class=3D"m_5536736937304004909WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I suspect that when the tank is filled any sediment =
or debris around the tank intake is redistributed thru the fuel then it set=
tles again.=C2=A0 Classic sign of bad fuel filter or sediment in tank.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Don</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from <a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink=
/?LinkId=3D550986" target=3D"_blank">
Mail</a> for Windows</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-=
top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"border:none;padding:0in"><b>From: </b><a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">Michael Salter</a><=
br>
<b>Sent: </b>Thursday, September 29, 2022 8:10 AM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:healey.nut@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">Alan S=
eigrist</a><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">Heal=
ey list</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] Austin Healey 100 Misfire Diagnosis.</p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks to all who have obviously given this misfire =
issue considerable thought. I will be sure to check all suggestions.=C2=A0<=
u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=C2=A0 should like to point out however that it is =
the immediate vanishing of the misfire after filling the fuel tank that has=
me confused.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This has happened three times simce the problem appe=
ared.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I just don't understand how an ignition problem =
could change as a result of filling the tank.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Furthermore I'm convinced that this is not a fue=
l starvation problem because the amount of engine power being used has no e=
ffect.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Totally baffled.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks again to all ... I'll=C2=A0 report back.<=
u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu., Sep. 29, 2022, 9:14 a.m. Alan Seigrist via =
Healeys, <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">he=
aleys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;b=
order-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4=
.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi John -<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Yes, that was the point I was trying to make, sorry =
if it fell through bad interpretation!=C2=A0 As Ed McMahon used to say, &qu=
ot;You Are Correct Sir!"<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Alan<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 7:53 PM john harper <<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:ah100tech@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">ah100tech@gmail.com</a=
>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;b=
order-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4=
.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Alan<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Coils can fail with heat and then recover when coole=
d. I had one that had these symptoms and when looking closely I saw that th=
e insulating oil had run out through a very small=C2=A0crack in the bottom =
of the case.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, 29 Sept 2022 at 10:34, Alan Seigrist <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healey.nut@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">healey.nut@gmail.com=
</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;b=
order-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4=
.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Michael -<br>
<br>
Just as a follow up to my email since the symptoms seem to manifest themsel=
f=C2=A0=C2=A0...=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal">
whether the car is warmed up or not - this typically will exclude anything =
related to fuel or the coil<u></u><u></u></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal">
whether the car is under load or not - this typically will exclude anything=
related to fuel<u></u><u></u></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal">
whether the choke is pulled or not - this typically will exclude anything r=
elated to fuel<u></u><u></u></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal">
somewhat intermittent but systematically under all conditions - suggests to=
me wiring / ground issues<u></u><u></u></li></ul>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Given this I'd check (as a priority):<u></u><u><=
/u></p>
<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal">
Battery Master (when these fail they will ground the coil)<u></u><u></u></l=
i><li class=3D"MsoNormal">
primary ignition wire (white) from the switch to coil (cycle the connection=
s)<u></u><u></u></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal">
motor ground straps (cycle the connections)<u></u><u></u></li><li class=3D"=
MsoNormal">
loose wires in the dizzy<u></u><u></u></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal">
loose ignition=C2=A0wires into the dizzy or spark plug<u></u><u></u></li></=
ul>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Other things to possibly do (as secondary):<u></u><u=
></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal">
replace rotor<u></u><u></u></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal">
replace dizzy cap<u></u><u></u></li></ul>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I don't think it would be contacts or condensor =
simply because this would either be very regular=C2=A0all the time, or mayb=
e sensitive to temp.<br>
<br>
Best,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 4:46 PM Bob Spidell <<a h=
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/a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">re: "... I don=E2=
=80=99t recall if that wire is separate from the distributor wire ..."=
<br>
<br>
It is (or should be). If the battery switch is in the 'OFF' positio=
n it grounds the coil primary so no spark.<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 9/28/2022 8:34 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote:<u></u><u>=
</u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Have you tried cycling the connections on the white =
wire from the ignition switch to the coil, and also from the coil to the di=
stributor.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">You might also want to try disconnecting the black a=
nd white wire at the coil from the battery master switch - if it=E2=80=99s =
failing you=E2=80=99ll get weird symptoms like this.=C2=A0 If that wire is =
disconnected the car should run no problem.=C2=A0 I don=E2=80=99t recall
if that wire is separate from the distributor wire, if it isn=E2=80=99t yo=
u=E2=80=99ll have to disconnect it from underneath the master switch itself=
.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Alan<u></u><u></u></p>
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