Re: [Healeys] Motive Products Power Bleeder

[Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>]

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There are many different Girling caps with a variety of diameters.
Kees Oudesluijs

Op 12-10-2023 om 15:48 schreef warthodson--- via Healeys:
> It is not an Austin Healey part that the cap has to fit. Nor is it an 
> MG part. It is a Girling part. I am only aware of 2 Girling caps. One 
> was metal (early & late style) & one was plastic. I suspect the 
> threads on both caps are the same, but have not proven that. Part of 
> the fit problem is that the threads on the cast repro master cylinders 
> with integral reservoirs are very poor.
> Gary
>
> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 03:43:40 PM CDT, John Spaur via 
> Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> Mirek, the recommended cap for the M.G. TC is 1109. I did call tech 
> support and was told there was not a cap for the Austin-Healey even 
> though the website states differently. Something interesting is tech 
> support is provided by the former company owner. He bought the company 
> in 2008 and sold it in September of 2023. Motive Products is located 
> back east but tech support is provided by the former owner and the 
> area code for his phone is 408.
>
> cid:image003.png@01D9FC2F.AD1BE810
>
> I have attached photos of my reservoir and cap. I fabricated a cap 
> from the lid of a PVC solvent can. It fits the reservoir and seals 
> with one rubber gasket on the inside.
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
>
> *From:* m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca [mailto:m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 11, 2023 4:38 AM
> *To:* 'John Spaur' <jmsdarch@sbcglobal.net>; healeys@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* RE: [Healeys] Motive Products Power Bleeder
>
> John, I have this same bleeder but the product number for the adaptor 
> is not listed on my receipt.  However, they can tell you which one you 
> need.  I seem to recall that oddly they did not have an early Healey 
> listed, but the cap on the reservoir is the same as my M.G. TC, and 
> the dealer did have a listing for the TC, although I donâ??t see it on 
> their web page. Weird.  Iâ??d contact their support people and ask.
>
> That said, I have never been able to get the cap on the bleeder to 
> seal on the reservoir.  I mentioned it to Mike Salter who had a 
> similar problem.  It just does not seem to screw down tight enough, 
> although I can see no logical reason for it not sealing.  It is on my 
> â??to doâ?? list (but near the bottom), to get a used reservoir and 
> experiment to get a better fit.
>
> Lastly, I could not see how one would prevent the brake fluid in the 
> tube from draining out when the cap was removed.  I fitted a check 
> valve in the line right above the adaptor.
>
> Iâ??d be interested to see if other listers have had issues the adaptor 
> sealing on the reservoir and how they solved it.
>
> For now, I am back to the old school method and it works fine, I just 
> need to find another warm body to pump the pedal.
>
> Cheers, Mirek
>
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *John 
> Spaur via Healeys
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 10, 2023 10:03 PM
> *To:* healeys@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* [Healeys] Motive Products Power Bleeder
>
> Does anyone have one of these? I bought one and the Girling cap does 
> not fit my Moss Motors Classic Gold brake/clutch fluid reservoir. I 
> have a 1962 BT7.
>
> cid:image004.png@01D9FC2F.AD1BE810
>
> The adaptor above is the red cap and hose, the Girling one.
>
> I think I need the 1100 adaptor pictured below.
>
> cid:image005.png@01D9FC2F.AD1BE810
>
> If you have one, which adaptor did you have and do you have a product 
> number you could send me?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
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    <p>There are many different Girling caps with a variety of
      diameters.<br>
      Kees Oudesluijs<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 12-10-2023 om 15:48 schreef
      warthodson--- via Healeys:<br>
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        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">It is not an Austin Healey
          part that the cap has to fit. Nor is it an MG part. It is a
          Girling part. I am only aware of 2 Girling caps. One was metal
          (early &amp; late style) &amp; one was plastic. I suspect the
          threads on both caps are the same, but have not proven that.
          Part of the fit problem is that the threads on the cast repro
          master cylinders with integral reservoirs are very poor. </div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Gary</div>
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          <div> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 03:43:40 PM CDT, John
            Spaur via Healeys <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>&lt;healeys@autox.team.net&gt;</a> wrote: 
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                  <p class="ydpa63e0977yiv1761550372MsoNormal"><span
                      style="color:#1F497D;">Mirek, the recommended cap
                      for the M.G. TC is 1109. I did call tech support
                      and was told there was not a cap for the
                      Austin-Healey even though the website states
                      differently. Something interesting is tech support
                      is provided by the former company owner. He bought
                      the company in 2008 and sold it in September of
                      2023. Motive Products is located back east but
                      tech support is provided by the former owner and
                      the area code for his phone is 408.</span></p>
                  <p class="ydpa63e0977yiv1761550372MsoNormal"><span
                      style="color:#1F497D;"> Â </span></p>
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                      style="color:#1F497D;"> Â </span></p>
                  <p class="ydpa63e0977yiv1761550372MsoNormal"><span
                      style="color:#1F497D;">I have attached photos of
                      my reservoir and cap. I fabricated a cap from the
                      lid of a PVC solvent can. It fits the reservoir
                      and seals with one rubber gasket on the inside.</span></p>
                  <p class="ydpa63e0977yiv1761550372MsoNormal"><span
                      style="color:#1F497D;"> Â </span></p>
                  <p class="ydpa63e0977yiv1761550372MsoNormal"><span
                      style="color:#1F497D;">Cheers,</span></p>
                  <p class="ydpa63e0977yiv1761550372MsoNormal"><span
                      style="color:#1F497D;">John</span></p>
                  <p class="ydpa63e0977yiv1761550372MsoNormal"><span
                      style="color:#1F497D;"> Â </span></p>
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                        <p 
class="ydpa63e0977yiv1761550372MsoNormal"><b>From:</b>
                          <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" 
href="mailto:m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca";>m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca</a>
                          [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" 
href="mailto:m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca";>mailto:m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca</a>] <br
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                          <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 11, 2023 4:38
                          AM<br clear="none">
                          <b>To:</b> 'John Spaur'
                          <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:jmsdarch@sbcglobal.net";>&lt;jmsdarch@sbcglobal.net&gt;</a>;
                          <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" 
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a><br clear="none">
                          <b>Subject:</b> RE: [Healeys] Motive Products
                          Power Bleeder</p>
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                    <p class="ydpa63e0977yiv1761550372MsoNormal"> Â </p>
                    <p class="ydpa63e0977yiv1761550372MsoNormal"><span
                        lang="EN-CA">John, I have this same bleeder but
                        the product number for the adaptor is not listed
                        on my receipt.  However, they can tell you which
                        one you need.  I seem to recall that oddly they
                        did not have an early Healey listed, but the cap
                        on the reservoir is the same as my M.G. TC, and
                        the dealer did have a listing for the TC,
                        although I donâ??t see it on their web page. 
                        Weird.  Iâ??d contact their support people and
                        ask.</span></p>
                    <p class="ydpa63e0977yiv1761550372MsoNormal"><span
                        lang="EN-CA"> Â </span></p>
                    <p class="ydpa63e0977yiv1761550372MsoNormal"><span
                        lang="EN-CA">That said, I have never been able
                        to get the cap on the bleeder to seal on the
                        reservoir.  I mentioned it to Mike Salter who
                        had a similar problem.  It just does not seem to
                        screw down tight enough, although I can see no
                        logical reason for it not sealing.  It is on my
                        â??to doâ?? list (but near the bottom), to get a
                        used reservoir and experiment to get a better
                        fit. </span></p>
                    <p class="ydpa63e0977yiv1761550372MsoNormal"><span
                        lang="EN-CA"> Â </span></p>
                    <p class="ydpa63e0977yiv1761550372MsoNormal"><span
                        lang="EN-CA">Lastly, I could not see how one
                        would prevent the brake fluid in the tube from
                        draining out when the cap was removed.  I fitted
                        a check valve in the line right above the
                        adaptor.  </span></p>
                    <p class="ydpa63e0977yiv1761550372MsoNormal"><span
                        lang="EN-CA"> Â </span></p>
                    <p class="ydpa63e0977yiv1761550372MsoNormal"><span
                        lang="EN-CA">Iâ??d be interested to see if other
                        listers have had issues the adaptor sealing on
                        the reservoir and how they solved it.</span></p>
                    <p class="ydpa63e0977yiv1761550372MsoNormal"><span
                        lang="EN-CA"> Â </span></p>
                    <p class="ydpa63e0977yiv1761550372MsoNormal"><span
                        lang="EN-CA">For now, I am back to the old
                        school method and it works fine, I just need to
                        find another warm body to pump the pedal.</span></p>
                    <p class="ydpa63e0977yiv1761550372MsoNormal"><span
                        lang="EN-CA"> Â </span></p>
                    <p class="ydpa63e0977yiv1761550372MsoNormal"><span
                        lang="EN-CA">Cheers, Mirek</span></p>
                    <p class="ydpa63e0977yiv1761550372MsoNormal"><span
                        lang="EN-CA"> Â </span></p>
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                        <p 
class="ydpa63e0977yiv1761550372MsoNormal"><b>From:</b>
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                          <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Spaur via Healeys<br
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                          <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 10, 2023 10:03
                          PM<br clear="none">
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                          <b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Motive Products
                          Power Bleeder</p>
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                    <p class="ydpa63e0977yiv1761550372MsoNormal"><span
                        lang="EN-CA"> Â </span></p>
                    <p class="ydpa63e0977yiv1761550372MsoNormal">Does
                      anyone have one of these? I bought one and the
                      Girling cap does not fit my Moss Motors Classic
                      Gold brake/clutch fluid reservoir. I have a 1962
                      BT7.</p>
                    <p class="ydpa63e0977yiv1761550372MsoNormal"> Â </p>
                    <p class="ydpa63e0977yiv1761550372MsoNormal"><img
                        id="ydpa63e0977yiv1761550372Picture_x0020_1"
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                    <p class="ydpa63e0977yiv1761550372MsoNormal"> Â </p>
                    <p class="ydpa63e0977yiv1761550372MsoNormal">The
                      adaptor above is the red cap and hose, the Girling
                      one.</p>
                    <p class="ydpa63e0977yiv1761550372MsoNormal">I think
                      I need the 1100 adaptor pictured below.</p>
                    <p class="ydpa63e0977yiv1761550372MsoNormal"> Â </p>
                    <p class="ydpa63e0977yiv1761550372MsoNormal"><img
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                    <p class="ydpa63e0977yiv1761550372MsoNormal"> Â </p>
                    <p class="ydpa63e0977yiv1761550372MsoNormal">If you
                      have one, which adaptor did you have and do you
                      have a product number you could send me?</p>
                    <p class="ydpa63e0977yiv1761550372MsoNormal"> Â </p>
                    <p class="ydpa63e0977yiv1761550372MsoNormal">Thanks,</p>
                    <p class="ydpa63e0977yiv1761550372MsoNormal">John</p>
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