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RE: Tires

To: "'John Beckett'" <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>,
Subject: RE: Tires
From: Beth Butters <bbutters@dmi.net>
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:44:50 -0800
           I believe their may be a relatively unexplored area for possible 
tires, that being airplane tires. A few years ago I  found a place in Texas, I 
believe that sold  military surplus tires to farmers as is or recapped with a  
traction tread. They are nearly indistuctable  and impervious to nails and 
thorns. Any how  there are jet aircraft tires  in the 28  to 30" O.D  size  
that appeared perfect to me. The price as I remembered was under $50.  I asked  
a friend of mine that's a aeronautical engineer, I think he can spell it,  He 
said well they are made to sustain very high loads for a short period of time,  
I also  learned that the military sometimes recaps these tires several times, 
so I guess they don't break down very much. I forgot to mention that the tires 
are 12 to 20 ply and for 15" or 16" wheels.  I guess we can assume that  its 
okay to run these tires  as they have and are being run on the  salt since 
that's what the  big diesel trucks run and that F- series truck with the what 
is it a 871 Detroit in it that ran l98mph this year has real tall ones on the 
back  for  the gearing advantage.  I am sure these tires are big bucks new, but 
it may well be possible to  get some good used ones for a small percentage of 
the new cost.  I wouldn't count on me to be able to find  the address of the 
company that sells them but I'll look around maybe someone that is adept at 
Internet searches can find it or other sources.  L. Kvach Butters,,,, oh ya   I 
am wandering if the strange wear pattern on your tires is from your IRS loading 
and unloading  Ed,  or not  being evenly heat cycled when they were first 
run???? 

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From:  Ed Van Scoy[SMTP:edvs@idt.net]
Sent:  Wednesday, November 10, 1999 2:56 PM
To:  John Beckett
Cc:  David Haller; land-speed@autox.team.net
Subject:  Re: Tires

John,
Generally they never see the light of day except for race time......My
Goodyear guy said the wear was nothing to really worry about, but
suggests replacing them every 4 years as the sidewalls are not as strong
as LSR tires, and thus flex. (Course he SELLS 'em) 
Like you I need a 27.5 6 or 8" tire, any help out there?
Ed

John Beckett wrote:
> 
> Ed
> 
> I have a set that I ran on the salt, and some at Maxton, for eight years. 60
> lbs. pressure  (that's what Goodyear recommended). Never had any coloring
> problems or funny wear patterns. Keep em out of the sun as much as possible
> it will help with the cracking problem.
> 
> JB
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed Van Scoy <edvs@idt.net>
> To: David Haller <dhaller@techline.com>
> Cc: John Beckett <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>; land-speed@autox.team.net
> <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 4:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Tires
> 
> >Dave:
> >i also run Talledegas on the rear. The current set lasted only 4 years
> >(with very few runs) mainly due to sidewall "cracking" However, they do
> >exhibit a strange wear patteren; the edges, for about 1.5 inches, appear
> >to be melted. There is a bluish color that fades to the center of the
> >tire. You would suspect underinflation, but i run 65 lbs.  My local
> >NASCAR shop said not to exceed that pressure. Do your tires show a
> >similar wear pattern?. As for handling, the car runs very straight at
> >200+ so that has not been an issue.
> >Ed
> >
> >David Haller wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi John,
> >> Thanks for the info on the tires. I ran super speedways, 28x15's with a
> 9"
> >> tread width this year on the salt. They worked fine, went 201 with them
> and
> >> believe I can do alot more. I was told that the wider tread has a
> tendency
> >> to cause spins. Does anyone else out there have info on that problem with
> >> big tires on the salt?
> >> Thanks,
> >> Dave Haller #93 C/GALT
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: John Beckett <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
> >> To: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 3:31 PM
> >> Subject: Tires
> >>
> >> > Team
> >> >
> >> > Awhile back someone commented on tires at Bonneville. I can't find the
> old
> >> > e-mail so I don't remember who it was, but I wanted to add my two
> cents.
> >> >
> >> > Over the years, on my comp coupe, I have run Goodyear NASCAR Daytona's,
> >> > Goodyear Frontrunners and Mickey Thompson Bonneville tires on the rear.
> >> Have
> >> > run them all in the 220 + MPH range. When you discount any potential
> >> chassis
> >> > problems, water on the salt, etc. the NASCAR Daytona and the M/T
> >> Bonneville
> >> > worked just fine. The Goodyear Frontrunner was down right scary. I most
> >> > definitely didn't like the 220 + MPH ride, with the tread parting
> company
> >> > from the carcass at speed.
> >> >
> >> > I believe someone said the wider NASCAR Daytona's won't work on the
> salt,
> >> > siting Ron Pruetts BRN article. I would have to disagree, having driven
> >> with
> >> > them myself, Gale Banks ran them on his 270 MPH Firebird and even this
> >> year
> >> > Calvin Smith ran 260's using the very same tires. Don Stringfellow and
> >> > others have also run them successfully. They can and do work well. The
> >> only
> >> > reason I'm not currently running Daytona's is they wont' fit within the
> >> > fenders of my Chevette.
> >> >
> >> > Another thing to consider here is that, to some extent, the supply of
> LSR
> >> > tires is drying up. Example: not to long ago there were about six sizes
> of
> >> > M/T tires, now were down to only three. The popular 27.5 x 8-15 is out
> of
> >> > production. Who knows what will happen when the other sizes are sold
> out.
> >> > Fortunately Goodyear still has some Eagle Land Speed tires (not
> >> > Frontrunners), but the rating is 300 MPH which won't help Al Teague
> much.
> >> >
> >> > And then there is the tire situation at Maxton. Another story.
> >> >
> >> > John Beckett
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >


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