Thanks, Brian, I already have that site bookmarked. For the rest of you
dinosaur riders out there this site contains a lot of good information on
V-Twin performance.
Come to think of it, much of it could apply any engine that makes load
noises.
Dale
-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan A. Savage Jr [mailto:basavage@earthlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 5:44 PM
To: Clay, Dale
Cc: 'Dave Dahlgren'; Ed Van Scoy; tim schoeny; Skip Higginbotham; John
Beckett; land-speed@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: Additives
This might be interesting:
http://www.nightrider.com/biketech/oiltest1.htm
Bryan
"Clay, Dale" wrote:
>
> Hey Dave, take it easy on us old air cooled, push rod guys. Your same
> arguments could apply to flatheads, but I don't want them to go away!
> Different strokes, ya know ...
>
> Plenty of race Harley's run synthetics (Red Line, Amsoil, Mobile 1, etc.)
> and do just fine. One reason I suspect Harley doesn't want you running
> synthetics is they have oil refined for them under their own label and a
lot
> of the new Harley riders are afraid to use anything not recommended by The
> Motor Company (emphasis added).
>
> I'm really glad to see this string take off, good stuff.
>
> Dale
>
> PS: I've got a 50 year old Harley, still running strong. When was the
last
> time you saw even a 20 year old Kawasaki on the street? Yeah, a few maybe
> and that's cool when you do. Hey it's like women; some like tall blondes,
> some red heads with freckles, some even like the round sort. Vive le
> difference!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Dahlgren [mailto:ddahlgren@snet.net]
> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 4:30 AM
> To: Ed Van Scoy
> Cc: tim schoeny; Skip Higginbotham; John Beckett;
> land-speed@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: Additives
>
> Ed you do realize why 90% or all harleys built are still on
> the road today don't you?
> It's because the other 10% made it home in one piece.......
> Aren't these the engines so ineffiecnt that they pretty much
> race against themselves. They quote #'s like 120 hp for a
> hot rod piece at 110 inches.. geez some kid in a old
> Kawasaki street bike can out run that..they might want to
> swap that thing out for Chucks old datsun piece..
>
> And a quiz question for the list what is the largest engine
> builder in the world in volume of engines sold per year
> sheer number of engines..
> Dave Dahlgren
>
> Ed Van Scoy wrote:
> >
> > FWIW, Corvette comes from the factory filled with Mobil 1 synthetic, so
> they
> > obviously aren't worried about break-in. Since we are on this topic,
> question for
> > bike guys (or others) Do you use synthetic oil? Reason I ask is there is
a
> raging
> > argument in the Harley world about pros & cons of synthetics. Mobil 1
> already makes
> > an air-cooled engine synthetic.......Lots of manufacturers use
> semi-synthetic from
> > the factory. Harley will void your warrenty if they find it in your
> bike........For
> > some reason the manual says that if you find the oil level low on your
> Harley &
> > Harley oil isn't available, use diesel oil! Can any of you lube-gurus
> explain that
> > to me?
> > Thanks,
> > Ed
> >
> > tim schoeny wrote:
> >
> > > My cam grinder and short block builder both recommend "conventional"
oil
> for
> > > break-in and then(if you want) synthetic for racing..Honda rings take
> forever to
> > > seat and starting out with syn. is not recommended.Just what I do.
> > >
Tim
> Schoeny
> > >
> > > Skip Higginbotham wrote:
> > >
> > > > By the way, if you put Pro-blend in a new engine's oil it will take
> about 5
> > > > times longer to break the rings in. Guess where the benefit is?
Better
> > > > lubrication.
> > > > S
> > > >
> > > > Not true, John.
> > > > Break-in should take about 10% longer but there is no reason not to
> use the
> > > > oil.
> > > > Skip Higginbotham
> > > >
> > > > At 01:58 PM 1/10/01 , you wrote:
> > > > >It was my understanding the synthitic oils of any kind are a NO NO
in
> new
> > > > >componets. They do not allow the proper break-in to take place, and
> should
> > > > >only be used in components after the normal break-in has been
> finished.
> > > > >What say ye?
> > > > >
> > > > >John Beckett
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "DOUG ODOM" <popms@thegrid.net>
> > > > >To: "Chris R Harris" <yesford@clear.net.nz>
> > > > >Cc: "land-speed" <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > >Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 7:23 PM
> > > > >Subject: Re: Additives
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> Chris; Slick 50 is nothing more than Dupont Teflon repackaged. In
> the
> > > > >> states we can buy the K-mart teflon for less money and it's the
> same
> > > > >> thing. A friend of mine did some testing with mobil one and
teflon
> on
> > > > >> the dyno. He said he made the most power with one Quart mobil one
> and
> > > > >> five quarts teflon. The bearings never took a hit. I thought
about
> using
> > > > >> it myself instead of straight mobil one but I guess I lack the
> testicle
> > > > >> fortitude. I have used Amsoil in transmissions and rear ends with
> good
> > > > >> luck but the one time I tried it in a motor it started to wear
the
> > > > >> bearings. Change back to Valvoline 50w and the bearings
> (vandervell) ran
> > > > >> all season with no wear. Just my 2 cents worth.
> > > > >> Doug Odom in big ditch
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Chris R Harris wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Compliments of the season to all on the list, thinking
> positively, 2001
> > > > >is
> > > > >> > going to be a great year.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > New subject additives. What is the lists opinion on the
subject,
> do you
> > > > >have a
> > > > >> > favorite, are they strictly 'mouse milk', most certainly don't
> stack up
> > > > >to
> > > > >> > the claims made, some definitely do help. The one I use in my
> manual
> > > > >trans and
> > > > >> > diff on the roadster (definitely not the engine though) is
Slick
> 50. My
> > > > >> > experience here was using a heavy rotary slasher on the farm.
> Powered by
> > > > >a 100
> > > > >> > hp tractor, these very basic slashers swinging a heavy hub with
4
> > > > >swinging
> > > > >> > blades, had a simple right angle bevel gear box between the PTO
> shaft
> > > > >and
> > > > >> > blade. In heavy going that box would get stink'in hot, couldn't
> touch
> > > > >it,
> > > > >> > always used the recommended oil. The addition of Slick made a
> huge
> > > > >reduction
> > > > >> > in box temperature, thats what convinced me it was doing its
job.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Lets hear your opinion including others like good assembly
lubes
> or
> > > > >other
> > > > >> > special brews you have for particular purposes, there has to be
> plenty
> > > > >out
> > > > >> > there.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Chris Harris New Zealand...
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