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Re: Racing LBC's (sort of long)

To: Keith Wheeler <>, mgs@Autox.Team.Net
Subject: Re: Racing LBC's (sort of long)
From: Chris Delling <>
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 16:55:59 -0500
Keith, Bill, etc. -

You're absoultely correct - the B series racing in the U.K. is top notch,
from what I have seen.  It is odd to me that some 80% of the MGB production
ended up in the States, but all the action, and most of the development for
the cars still is coming from England.

I don't have the luxury of buying a dedicated race car.  I do have a car
that I would like to race.  I am no shrinking violet, if the car were to
get scratched, or worse, I would get over it.  With two kids under age 5, a
mortgage, a business to run, and a wife that requires some level of
maintenance, another car isn't in the cards.

I am a guy who wants to drive an LBC.  I happen to want to drive it on a
track once in a while, in a competetive atmosphere.  Since I already have
the LBC, I was hoping not to have to sell it to buy somthing else that
would probably need to have all the same work I have already done, done
again.  Doesn't seem to be in the cards though.


Chris Delling

At 01:05 PM 2/7/98 PST, Keith Wheeler wrote:
>Chris Delling wrote:
>>I am interested in club level racing of LBC's, MGB's specifically.  
>Wish there were more like ya here in the states.  In the UK there
>are races with nothing but MGBs. <RANT> But then too many damn street
>racer wannabees here state-side.  If just a few of those street
>boy racer types would try and really race (for what they
>spend on chrome crap to impress their friends they could do
>a lot on track) we'd have bigger classes all 'round.  And maybe
>they'd learn that there's a lot more to driving fast than
>a few extra HP and a lead foot. </RANT>
>>Seems that SCCA racing has become a (relatively) high cost venture,
>>requiring extensive modifications that result in a non-streetable car
>>(assuming you want to be anywhere near competetive).
>Yep.  Small fortune.  "Wanna make a small fortune?  Then get a big
>one and go racing."  You're thinking about the Production cars.  Yes,
>expensive.  Yes, not streetable.  And to make things worse (if I remember
>correctly) MGBs and Midgets were pulled from national level Improved Touring,
>sort of a "Showroom Stock" class for older cars.  IT cars can easily be
>streetable, but, if ya shunt it out, where's your street ride then?
>There are some questions you've gotta ask:
>What part of the country are you in?  (it does matter if you
>        live next door to a track or in the middle of Alaska)
>What racing experience do you have?
>Why do you want to race an MGB?
>>Vintage racing class rules seem to allow a street legal car, with minimal
>>modifications to remain competetive.  Unfortunately for me, the cut-off
>>dates for production cars seems to be late 60's/early 70's.  I have a late
>>70's B.  I am sure no one would seriously argue that the late B's have a
>>competetive advantage over earlier cars, but this is not taken into
>I've looked into vintage racing.  I'd love to run my Bugeye a lap
>or two.  However, vintage racing varies heavily on how competitive
>the sport is.  What I mean is some vintage "races" are glorified
>parade laps.  Fun?  I'm sure.  Interesting? Great old machinery
>on a track!  Always interesting.  Racing?  Well...
>>Am I missing somthing, or am I just out of luck?  
>If you haven't done any competition driving, hook up with the local
>SCCA guys and run an autocross or two.  You can run that 'B in H Stock
>as is (unless you've done the Weber carb thing and so forth).  Autocross
>is fun, difficult, and a good place to see if you really like driving
>hard under competitive circumstances (without having to buy a roll cage,
>nomex suit, slicks, etc).
>I autocross my 'B, and run it in road rallies.  I'd love to race a
>'B in a series, and there are some places I could turn.  However
>for road course action I decided to go with a first gen RX-7.
>There's a class down here called Spec RX-7, basically a bone stock
>RX-7, however you can use a specified set of sway bars, shocks, and
>springs. (Which I've installed).  A car can be built or bought for
>about $3k.  Plus there are plenty of parts in the boneyards, so
>a broken engine or shunted body aren't that hard to replace.
>If you are absolutely set on racing a 'B on road courses, there are
>a few clubs with run-whatcha-brung classes.  COMMA and NASA come
>to mind.  NASA has an indexed series where HP differences are
>somewhat smoothed out.
>There is one little niche left where someone could actually have
>fun with an MGB (GT only!).  This is something we've (Team Sanctuary)
>discussed heavily, and while it won't be the most competitive
>car around, it'll be unique.  After I've completed my 'B V-8
>conversion, this will hopefully be my next race car project,
>a 'B GT, roll cage, and some nice Hakkas.  :)  I wouldn't
>even suggest this route unless you are comfortable with
>going through the river and over the woods...
>-Keith Wheeler
>Team Sanctuary        

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