Reminds me of a comment by Barnaby Conrad (the Bull Fighter from Boston) when
asked about his bravery in the ring.
"We are all cowards, we are just afraid of different things."
Substitute masochist for coward.
Gerry
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Date: 06/29/98 5:27 AM
To: Willburn, Gerry
From: Bell
Masochists?...well, maybe. I've driven a couple of Morgans and have found
them to be great cars.....until you hit a bump! If you want to feel like a
real masochist come ride in my FIAT 600D with 32 bhp in today's SUV-laden
traffic, it's quite a thrill! There again it does take the bumps well and
is water-tight.....so maybe we are about even on the masochist scale!
Have Fun,
Alister
-----Original Message-----
From: O'Donoghue, Marcus <MODonoghue@attrs.uk.att.com>
To: 'Bell' <twobells@erols.com>; Gerry Willburn
<Gerry_Willburn@qmail4.nba.TRW.COM>; Anthony Lo Pinto
<ALoPinto@compuserve.com>; Dave Vodden <Dave.Vodden@Telematics.com>; Ed
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G. Lamb, III <lambroving@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Monday, June 29, 1998 7:16 AM
Subject: RE: Wires on Wide Body Plus
> I think the 50's body style of a Morgan looks better with wire
>wheels. The original development Morgan plus 8 had wire wheels, but the
>torque of the Buick/Rover V8 kept breaking spokes. That is probably the
>only reason why Morgan installed the much stronger alloys.
>
> Some members of my local Morgan club think that British sports
>cars should be small and spartan. The original plus 8 is six inches
>narrower than my 1985 plus 8 (sadly now sold due to arrival of rug rat).
>The Plus 8's now being delivered with the new wide spoked wheels must be
>even wider. I have parked my plus 8 at the side of a series 1 4/4 and
>the plus 8 looked enormous.
>
> At the end of the day it is up to the individual as to what he
>likes! People who drive Morgans tend to be more individualistic than
>most. The Morgan is a badly designed car with poor weatherprofing.
>However the UK waiting lists tend to prove that there are enough
>individuals or masochists who are prepared to put up with these
>discomforts.
>
> Regards,
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
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>**************************************
>Marcus O'Donoghue
>Lan Consultant
>AT&T UK Ltd. Rover Services,
>Springfield House,
>Park Farm
>Redditch,
>England B98 0HU.
>Tel : 44 1527 495610
>Fax: 44 1527 517897
>Email: modonoghue@attrs.uk.att.com
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>
>
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bell [SMTP:twobells@erols.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 1998 9:02 PM
>> To: Gerry Willburn; Anthony Lo Pinto; Dave Vodden; Ed Pomeranz; J.
>> Scott Willoughby; Jim Dickson; O'Donoghue, Marcus ; Morgan Mailing
>> List; William C.W. Lamb; William G. Lamb, III
>> Subject: Re: Wires on Wide Body Plus
>>
>> I'm not a Morgan owner (I collect rear-engined vehicles), though have
>> long
>> admired the marque. I would interject that it seems that wire wheels
>> look
>> correct on vehicles that are of the appropriate vintage, but no later.
>> Around '63, '64, "mag" wheels came into style on certain high
>> performance
>> sports cars, with a slow spread to the larger automotive population.
>> To me,
>> cars prior to the mid-sixties look OK with wires, those after seem
>> right
>> with steel or alloy wheels. A Plus 8 should have alloys.
>>
>> This goes for bikes too. A '66 Moto Guzzi would look odd with alloys,
>> while
>> a CBR600 would look ridiculous with anything but.
>>
>> Here's a question for you.....will they ever build William's Moggie?
>>
>> Cheers, Alister Bell
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gerry Willburn <Gerry_Willburn@qmail4.nba.TRW.COM>
>> To: Alister Bell <abell@landrov <twobells@erols.com>; Anthony Lo Pinto
>> <ALoPinto@compuserve.com>; Dave Vodden <Dave.Vodden@Telematics.com>;
>> Ed
>> Pomeranz <pomers@concentric.net>; J. Scott Willoughby
>> <garuda@Blast.net>;
>> Jim Dickson <jtd@doubleprecision.com>; Marcus
>> <MODonoghue@attrs.uk.att.com>;
>> Morgan Mailing List <morgans@autox.team.net>; William C.W. Lamb
>> <wclamb@maila.wm.edu>; William G. Lamb, III
>> <lambroving@worldnet.att.net>
>> Date: Thursday, June 25, 1998 4:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: Wires on Wide Body Plus
>>
>>
>> >William (or Bill?)
>> >
>> >I must say that I have alloy wheels on my ('73) Plus 8. I would not
>> consider changing them. I think that ALL the newer Plus 8s look a bit
>> like
>> "Slot Cars" with their wide wheels. I also think that a Plus 4 would
>> look
>> silly with alloy wheels.
>> >
>> >In my wayward youth I used to ride motorcycles (had some success
>> racing as
>> well) but that was before they started putting alloy wheels on them.
>> I also
>> understand that the increase in performance of modern motorcycles is
>> in part
>> due to the improvement in wheels and tyres. They even look right on a
>> modern racer but I still can't get used to them.
>> >
>> >I guess I'm just old-fashioned.
>> >
>> >Good driving,
>> >
>> >Gerry
>> >
>> >------------------------------
>> >Date: 06/25/98 9:37 AM
>> >To: Willburn, Gerry
>> >From: William G. Lamb, III
>> >
>> >Gerry Willburn wrote:
>> >
>> >You probably even like motorcycles with mag wheels and disc brakes.
>> >
>> >
>> >Gerry,
>> >
>> >I plead guilty... but I also RIDE motorcycles. Ever experience a
>> puncture
>> >on a spoke-wheeled motorcycle? I have, with a passenger aboard as
>> well!
>> >They are also not pleasant to repair on a remote backroad in Central
>> PA
>> >with just the tools on board, even with the mighty BMW tool kit. On
>> bikes
>> >I don't even mind the ABS I have on my 1991 BMW R100RS... not very
>> >essential on a basically dry road Morgan Sports Car, though!
>> >
>> >I knew I would get some mail on the wires issue. As I know you are a
>> >bit of a Morgan "guru", I will only say that if you saw a new wide
>> body
>> >in the flesh with those silly wires on it, you might think it looked
>> too
>> >much like a kit car, (Excaliber).
>> >
>> >Best wishes to all,
>> >
>> >William G. Lamb, III MailTo:lambroving@worldnet.att.net
>> >Land Rover Specialist
>> >
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Subject: Re: Wires on Wide Body Plus
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