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Subject: [oletrucks] FW: TRUCK:: My view on transmissions...
From: Terry Stellman <STELLMAN@noex.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 07:11:04 -0600
I think this is what you were looking for.


Terry Stellman
1949 3600
Missouri City, Texas


> -----Original Message-----
> From: SDCole [SMTP:sdcole@speedfactory.net]
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 1998 6:19 AM
> To:   oletrucks-l@teleport.com
> Subject:      TRUCK:: My view on transmissions...
> 
> I've done a bit of research over the years on modern OD manual
> transmissions - both to put behind a 235 and a small block. 
> I probably have some bogus info, but I've put my experiences in
> where I have it.  Keep in mind this list doesn't include non-overdrive
> transmissions.
> 
> I think we need to incorporate what we know/have heard into a 
> Transmission/Drivetrain FAQ of some sort.  I'll do it if y'all'll
> (southern double-contraction) give me a hand with info collection...
> 
> Here's what I've discovered:
> 
> Borg-Warner T-56 - (6-speed, double OD - Camaro, Vette):
>   - standard car-like gear ratios, with OD 5th and 6th.
>   - strong
>   - without bellhousing
>   - integral shifter 
>   - shifter too far back and awfully short.  Truck with a bench seat 
>     would be problematic.
> 
> Borg-Warner T-5 - (5-speed OD, Camaro) :
>   - standard car-like gear ratios, with .75 OD 5th.
>   - same as above but marginal for a 350 unless 
>     you get the "world class" version.  I doubt it's reliability in
>     a heavy truck with abuse or heavy loads (see NV3500 below for
>     definition of abuse)
> 
> Borg-Warner T-5 (5-speed OD, S-10 truck) :
>   - standard car-like gear ratios, with .75 OD 5th.
>   - without bellhousing
>   - integral shifter further up the trans body - good for a truck/bench
>   - would work behind a 6, but too weak for a 350, particularily in
>     reference to heavy trucks, abuse, and loads.
> 
> New Venture NV3500 : (GM 1/2 ton 5-speed OD, 1988-up)
>   - car-like ratios, except that 1st is a little lower.  You probably
>     would take off in 2nd if you had 3.73 or 4.11 gears.  OD 5th.
>   - with bellhousing (Chevy pattern)
>   - hydraulic clutch (plastic! slave cylinder, located on passg-side)
>   - integral shifter (long, truck-style, mounted amidships)
>   - I had one of these in a '89
>    GMC 1/2 ton with a 350, towed a 1970 model 30ft travel trailer
>    periodically (HEAVY!), abused it (rocking to get unstuck, dumping
>    the clutch, speed shifted during stoplight contests, etc), and never  
>    had a problem.  Was told by a transmission
>    tech that a common cause of failure with this trans is when ATF is 
>    put into it during a fluid change instead of the ATF-looking 
>    "special" GM oil (specified in the owner's manual).
>    I just put in a 50/50 mix of ATF and SAE30 weight per his 
>    recommendation. Was still OK after 3 clutches and 170,000 miles when
>    I traded it in.  As always, YMMV.
>   - Would be my choice if I were going with a mild-350 combo.  Big block
>     would grenade it.  Big sticky tires and good traction (rare in a 
>     pickup truck unless you put cement bags in the bed) and dumping
>     the clutch might do it too.
>   - OK for stoplight drags.  1st was a little low for my sub-5000 RPM
>     stock 350 and 3.42 gears.  would work good with 3.23's or 3.08's.
> 
> New Venture NV4500 (5-speed OD - 3/4, 1 ton trucks (1988-up)):
>   - without bellhousing
>   - "granny" 1st gear.  OD 5th.
>   - A favorite among offroaders for double-low 1st gear for crawling and
>     OD 5th to make up for low gears on the highway.
>   - truck-like shifter mounted midway on the trans.  Good for bench seat
>   - Extremely Tough.  GM put them behind 454's in 1-ton duallys.
>   - wouldn't be good for "stoplight drags" because only 2nd,3rd,4th
>     would be useful in racing. (unless you have a big-block ;>)
> 
> Eaton/Fuller/Clark 280 series transmission (1 1/2 ton- up trucks???) 
> model 280VO
> 
>   - Read about this one in an offroad magazine
>   - without bellhousing
>   - top truck-like shifter mounted midway
>   - Big, heavy, bomb-proof, cast-iron
>   - 6.99 "granny" low 1st, .8 OD
>   - supposed to be cheaper and easier to acquire than NV4500
>   - This trans is probably related to the Clark 5-speed I had from a '51 
>     GMC 2.5 ton behind my 235 for a while.  Had a granny 1st and non-OD 
>     1:1 5th.  Pretty good spread of gears.  Had 1 major problem,
> though:  
>     UNSYNCHRONIZED.  Can you say double-clutch?  If it had a OD 5th and
>     synchronizers, I'd still use it.  Weighed about 250 lbs.
> 
> There's also the Borg 4+3 used in the Corvette for a while, but I
> don't know specifics other than it'd have the same problems with truck
> use as the T-56. 
> 
> Any experience with the above info would be appreciated - I'm still 
> compiling info, but since I live in the city now (Atlanta), I'm
> probably going to end up with an automatic ;<
> 
> -Dixon Cole
> sdcole@speedfactory.net
> '54 3100
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