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Subject: [oletrucks] Transmissions and Drive Trains
From: The Perfesser <driver@49chevy.com>
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 08:45:56 -0600
Greetings from Nashville, TN...

I need some help deciding what to do about the transmission in my '49 Chevy 
3100, which has been going through some restoration / upgrading in the past 
year.  You can see the truck @ http://49chevy.com

I have been having trouble with the transmission for over a year (although 
most of that year was spent in a shop restoring the crunched cab).  The 
transmission that was in the truck when I got it (December, 1999) was in 
pretty bad shape (gears badly worn), and in Sept 2000 was rebuilt by the 
shop that has been helping me maintain the mechanics of the truck.  They 
generally do a good job, but this transmission seems to have them stumped.

Due to an unfortunate encounter with a tree, the truck was not driven for 
nearly a year after the transmission was rebuilt.  I would estimate that 
I've put less than 600 miles on it since the rebuild.  But about 8 weeks 
ago I started having trouble with the transmission again - it gets stuck in 
second gear.  If I accelerate to the speed I would ordinarily shift to 
third, it gets stuck, but if I slow down to a dead stop, I can shift it 
back to first, and if I don't accelerate to the usual shift point in 
second, it will usually go into third.  But for the most part, if I'm going 
any where, I have to shift straight from 1st to 3rd; 2nd is nearly useless 
to me.

Now, this situation started back in, I think early October, and I took it 
back to the shop that did the rebuild a year earlier.  Their conclusion was 
that something was mal-adjusted when when the truck was reassembled last 
summer, and that caused the transmission to get stuck between gears.  Net 
result, they took the transmission apart, and swapped out these two parts:

Exhibit A: http://49chevy.com/images/exhibit_A.jpg  -- the synch ro drum - 
you might be able to tell from the picture that the little tabs inside the 
drum are worn, and rather freshly at that; the damage there is new.


Exhibit B: http://49chevy.com/images/exhibit_B.jpg -- the cover assembly 
was removed and replaced because the post and bar shown in the enlargement 
are supposedly bent.

So, the transmission was rebuilt again, and I now have so much invested in 
this transmission that -- I have learned a little too late -- I could have 
probably bought THREE rebuilt transmissions from Bowtie Bits.  But that's 
beside the point.  The point now is that, despite this second rebuild, THE 
PROBLEM PERSISTS: I still can't shift from 2nd to 3rd if I've got any RPMs 
going.  Not only that, but the synchromesh is hardly working between any of 
the gears, it grinds between 1st and 2nd and 2nd and 3rd.

It would appear that my shop is a little out of their league with this 
transmission, and now I'm wondering what's the best approach, not only to 
repair, but to possibly "upgrade."  Here are the things I'm trying to 
figure out:


1) can anybody suggest, from the descriptions above, what might be causing 
this "stuck in second" problem?

2)  is it worth trying to fix this transmission one more time, or should I 
start considering alternatives, like replacing the transmission altogether?

3) is there any reason to believe that the transmissions that came with 
these trucks are inadequate, i.e. "too light duty" for a truck like 
this?  That is my mechanic's contention, and he advocates upgrading to a 
heavier-duty transmission.  But I would PREFER to keep things as nearly 
original as makes sense on todays roads.  So, if there is nothing further 
to be done with my present transmission, I am actually leaning toward a 
Bowtie Bits rebuild, assuming the "original" tranny's are adequate (btw, 
the shop has offered to credit me whatever it takes to make it right; there 
heart is in the right place, if not their skill-sets).

4) does anybody have any experience upgrading the transmission from the 
standard 3-on-the-tree to a "Saginaw" four speed?  I've been looking at the 
conversion kit from Patrick's Antique Trucks...  I can see the logic in 
replacing the transmission with something more modern, but that would mean 
converting from the nifty old column shifter to a floor shift.  It also 
means finding a Saginaw transmission, and then installing the Patrick's 
"short shaft" conversion kit.

5) what about the closed, "torque tube" drive shaft?  I gather there is a 
range of opinions on this old fabrication.  Patrick's tells me those closed 
drive shafts are pretty bullet proof, others tell me they are antiquated 
and cause  excess vibration.  What are the pros and cons of replacing the 
driveshaft? (again, my preference would be to leave it as is).

6) assuming I can get some variation on the existing transmission to work, 
the one modification I would really LIKE to make is changing the rear-end 
gear ratio so I can get safer highway speeds.  As currently configured, 
with the original 4.11 rear end, my top end is probably around 55 mph and 
even then it sounds like the 235ci straight six is at the high end of it's 
range.  I'm wondering what to expect if I go to a higher rear end ratio, 
like the 3.55 that Patrick's offers.... I know I'll have a better top end, 
but how seriously will the change effect the low end?  Heck, the first gear 
in my present 3 speed seems low enough to climb trees... I wouldn't mind 
sacrificing some of that to feel safer if I go on the Interstate.

I didn't set out to compose and epic when I started this message, I'm sorry 
it's so long.  As you can see, the situation is a bit of a quandary, there 
are many permutations, and it's almost hard to know exactly what questions 
to ask.  I appreciate any help readers can offer.

Thanks,

--PS



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http://www.theperfesser.com

1949 Chevy 3100
http://49chevy.com 
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