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To: Mark Andy <marka@maracing.com> mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Electrical question
From: John Mitchell <jmitch@snet.net>
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2021 10:25:02 -0500
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On Nov 28, 2021, 9:54 AM, at 9:54 AM, Mark Andy <marka@mara=
cing=2Ecom> wrote:
>Howdy,
>
>Guessing that you have a NEMA 10-50 outlet?  =
I'm not sure code allows
>those
>any more but ??  You do wire them with the=
 ground not connected=2E  I'd
>have
>said that modern code would require a =
4 prong 14-50 for 220vac
>connections
>where the device also wants 110vac=
=2E
>
>My recollection, which may well be wrong, is that the only modern 3
=
>prong
>220vac outlets (6-50) are supposed to be wired with the two hots an=
d
>the
>ground=2E=2E=2E Neutral not connected=2E  And that those connection=
s are only
>used
>when you have a device that uses only 220vac, not 220vac =
along with
>110vac=2E
>
>I think it's a lot more common these days for any =
220vac connection to
>use
>4 prong outlets=2E
>
>Mark
>
>On Sun, Nov 28, 20=
21 at 8:46 AM John Mitchell <jmitch@snet=2Enet> wrote:
>
>> My electric sto=
ve has always been wired direct from the cable=2E  I was
>> told that code =
now requires an outlet and a pigtail on the range=2E 
>The
>> romex cable h=
as the 2 hot leads, a neutral and a bare ground wire=2E  I
>> bought a surf=
ace mount 50 amp 3 prong outlet, but there is no place
>for
>> a ground wir=
e to connect=2E  For now, I bent the ground back on itself
>and
>> used the=
 clamp to at least ground to the metal part of the outlet=2E 
>Is
>> this o=
k or should I have just clipped it off?  Thanks for any
>> expertise=2E  Jo=
hn Mitchell
>>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote" >On No=
v 28, 2021, at 9:54 AM, Mark Andy &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:marka@maracing=2Eco=
m" target=3D"_blank">marka@maracing=2Ecom</a>&gt; wrote:<blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0=2E8ex; border-left: 1px sol=
id rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Howdy,<br><br>=
Guessing that you have a NEMA 10-50 outlet?&nbsp; I'm not sure code allows =
those any more but ??&nbsp; You do wire them with the ground not connected=
=2E&nbsp; I'd have said that modern code would require&nbsp;a 4 prong 14-50=
 for 220vac connections where the device also wants 110vac=2E<div><br>My re=
collection, which may well be wrong, is that the only modern 3 prong 220vac=
 outlets (6-50) are supposed to be wired with the two hots and the ground=
=2E=2E=2E Neutral not connected=2E&nbsp; And that those connections are onl=
y used when you have a device that uses only 220vac, not 220vac along with =
110vac=2E<br><br>I think it's a lot more common these days for any 220vac c=
onnection&nbsp;to use 4 prong outlets=2E<br><br>Mark</div></div><br><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Nov 28, 2=
021 at 8:46 AM John Mitchell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jmitch@snet=2Enet";>jmitc=
h@snet=2Enet</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0=2E8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padd=
ing-left:1ex">My electric stove has always been wired direct from the cable=
=2E&nbsp; I was <br>
told that code now requires an outlet and a pigtail on=
 the range=2E&nbsp; The <br>
romex cable has the 2 hot leads, a neutral and=
 a bare ground wire=2E&nbsp; I <br>
bought a surface mount 50 amp 3 prong o=
utlet, but there is no place for <br>
a ground wire to connect=2E&nbsp; For=
 now, I bent the ground back on itself and <br>
used the clamp to at least =
ground to the metal part of the outlet=2E&nbsp; Is <br>
this ok or should I=
 have just clipped it off?&nbsp; Thanks for any <br>
expertise=2E&nbsp; Joh=
n Mitchell<br>
<br>
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