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Re: [Spridgets] Frogeye Rubber Carpets

To: Bob Kitterer <bkitterer@me.com>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Frogeye Rubber Carpets
From: HealeyRick via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team.net>
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 19:13:16 -0500
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Bob's right.  The originals were pretty terrible.  They were thin,
especially around the frame cross pieces and tore easily, which is why so
few still exist.  These new ones don't quite cut it in the originality
department.  Whether they are an improvement over carpeting, even for
someone seeking a concours car, I don't know.  At least the AMCO mats with
the aluminum frame covers were a more-or-less period accessory.

Rick Neville

On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 5:21 PM Bob Kitterer via Spridgets <
spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:

> Unless you are going for a Gold Concours car why would you want them?  Th=
e
> originals were terrible.
>
>
> Bob  Kitterer
>
> 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise)
> 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes
> 2013 Miata
> 2017 Mazda CX9
>
> Pay it forward.
> Thanks Frank
>
> On Nov 26, 2018, at 11:40 AM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets <
> spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Here is the lengthy response I got from AH Spares with pictures of the
> prototypes of the ribbed rubber carpets.  I guess they are still tweaking
> them for more originality at the moment.
> Mike MacLean
>
> ----- Forwarded Message -----
> *From:* Keith Bates <keith@ah4h.co.uk>
> *To:* rrengineer.mike@att.net <rrengineer.mike@att.net>
> *Cc:* sales@ah4h.co.uk <sales@ah4h.co.uk>
> *Sent:* Monday, November 26, 2018, 6:51:17 AM PST
> *Subject:* Frogeye Rubber Carpets
>
> Dear Mr Maclean,
>
>
> Many thanks for your email and for contacting our company. It=E2=80=99s g=
reat news
> that word is getting around about our plans to reproduce these rubber mat=
s
> for the early Sprites. It=E2=80=99s been a personal mission for more than=
 25 years
> now and as I=E2=80=99m at the final stages of a 3 year Mk1 restoration I =
was
> determined that this car wouldn=E2=80=99t have carpets fitted at any cost=
. Things
> evolved further when I managed to find a UK source for ribbed red rubber.
> The ribs are slightly finer than the original and the red is more
> terracotta but in many ways it does look like the colour of a 60 year old
> slightly faded original mat rather than shiny new ones . It=E2=80=99s sti=
ll in very
> early stages of development but I=E2=80=99d like to think that we will ha=
ve
> something to offer within the next 6 weeks. I have attached pictures of t=
he
> mats fitted to my own car on which we developed them, plus some of the
> display that we had on our stand at a Sprite 60th show in England this
> year. As you can see the plain rubber areas are made of a matching vinyl
> and stitched to the rubber which works well. The floor mats have been cut
> in 2 sections and again with the plain area made of matching vinyl but no=
t
> stitched together. We tried this but the fit was poor so it was decided
> that trimming the cross member and chassis section in loose vinyl would
> give a better result and then to lay the cut ribbed rubber pieces over th=
e
> top. In time we want to look at removing sections of the ribbing to detai=
l
> the heel mat, the borders and possibly even the circular inscription on t=
he
> left side of the tunnel with the words =E2=80=98Lift Mat To Fill=E2=80=99=
.  Also another
> area that we need to investigate into further is the direction of the
> ribbing on the tunnel sides. I have now seen this in both vertical and
> horizontal on so called original sets. It maybe that we will need to offe=
r
> both unless we can determine which is most accurate but both ways is
> possible.
>
>
> With the help of a recognised English Sprite expert and the loan of the
> patterns he had made many years ago for his own hand made mats, we were
> able to accurately recreate a good fitting tunnel cover. I must be clear
> that these mats are not pre-moulded as the originals but are more an
> acceptable attempt at something close to the appearance and that can be
> produced and sold for a reasonable price. At the moment it=E2=80=99s too =
early to
> give you an accurate price as we don=E2=80=99t yet have all costs  but ar=
e hoping
> to keep the price around the =C2=A3300 mark for the set including the doo=
r
> liners. Also we would only be able to supply in red and black but are
> hopeful of blue and green in the future. This may depend on sales as the
> supplier of the red require a minimum 100 meter order to produce in other
> colours. We are prepared to invest in this if sales look remotely
> possible.  We will certainly be making some notable publicity when the ki=
ts
> are ready to sell and I will of course contact you directly to advise.
>
>
> If you need to know more, then please feel free to contact me or call to
> discuss.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Keith.
>
>
>
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>
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>
> On your web site you mention ribbed rubber carpets for the Frogeye.  I
> could not find them listed in the catalog.  Any information on when they
> will be available and what price?
>
> Mike MacLean
>
> San Bernardino, California
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Bob&#39;s right.=C2=A0 The originals=C2=A0were pretty terr=
ible.=C2=A0 They were thin, especially around the frame cross pieces and to=
re easily, which is why so few still exist.=C2=A0 These new ones don&#39;t =
quite cut it in the originality department.=C2=A0 Whether they are an impro=
vement over carpeting, even for someone seeking a concours car, I don&#39;t=
 know.=C2=A0 At least the AMCO mats with the aluminum frame covers were a m=
ore-or-less period accessory.<div><br></div><div>Rick Neville</div></div><b=
r><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 5:21 =
PM Bob Kitterer via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.ne=
t">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-le=
ft:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Un=
less you are going for a Gold Concours car why would you want them?=C2=A0 T=
he originals were terrible.<div><br></div><div><br><div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-=
indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wra=
p:break-word">Bob =C2=A0Kitterer<br><br>1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in=
=C2=A0disguise)<br>1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor)=C2=A0- still i=
n boxes<br>2013 Miata</div><div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);letter-spacing:no=
rmal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:norma=
l;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word">2017 Mazda CX9<br><br>Pay it forwa=
rd.<br>Thanks Frank</div>
</div>
<br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Nov 26, 2018, at 11:40 AM, Micha=
el MacLean via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; ta=
rget=3D"_blank">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"m=
_3772928345748152843Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div><div class=3D"m_37=
72928345748152843ydpcb9d09a6yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:times ne=
w roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:16px"><div></div>
        <div>Here is the lengthy response I got from AH Spares with picture=
s of the prototypes of the ribbed rubber carpets.=C2=A0 I guess they are st=
ill tweaking them for more originality at the moment.</div><div>Mike MacLea=
n<br></div><div><br></div>
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        </div><div id=3D"m_3772928345748152843ydp66606cf1yahoo_quoted_36775=
43875" class=3D"m_3772928345748152843ydp66606cf1yahoo_quoted">
            <div style=3D"font-family:&#39;Helvetica Neue&#39;,Helvetica,Ar=
ial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a">
                <div>----- Forwarded Message -----</div>
                <div><b>From:</b> Keith Bates &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:keith@a=
h4h.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">keith@ah4h.co.uk</a>&gt;</div><div><b>To:</b> =
<a href=3D"mailto:rrengineer.mike@att.net"; target=3D"_blank">rrengineer.mik=
e@att.net</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rrengineer.mike@att.net"; target=3D"_bla=
nk">rrengineer.mike@att.net</a>&gt;</div><div><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:=
sales@ah4h.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">sales@ah4h.co.uk</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:sales@ah4h.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">sales@ah4h.co.uk</a>&gt;</div><div>=
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 26, 2018, 6:51:17 AM PST</div><div><b>Subject=
:</b> Frogeye Rubber Carpets</div><div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"m_3772928345748152843ydp66606cf1yiv51838445=
97">

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<div>
<div class=3D"m_3772928345748152843ydp66606cf1yiv5183844597WordSection1"><p=
 class=3D"m_3772928345748152843ydp66606cf1yiv5183844597MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-family:sans-serif">Dear Mr Ma</span><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif">clean<span>,</span></span></p><div><span style=3D"font-family:sa=
ns-serif"> =C2=A0</span><br class=3D"m_3772928345748152843webkit-block-plac=
eholder"></div><p class=3D"m_3772928345748152843ydp66606cf1yiv5183844597Mso=
Normal"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">Many thanks for your email a=
nd for contacting our company. It=E2=80=99s great news that word is getting=
 around about our plans to reproduce these rubber mats for the early Sprite=
s. It=E2=80=99s been
 a personal mission for more than 25 years now and as I=E2=80=99m at the fi=
nal stages of a 3 year Mk1 restoration I was determined that this car would=
n=E2=80=99t have carpets fitted at any cost. Things evolved further when I =
managed to find a UK source for ribbed red rubber.
 The ribs are slightly finer than the original and the red is more terracot=
ta but in many ways it does look like the colour of a 60 year old slightly =
faded original mat rather than shiny new ones . It=E2=80=99s still in very =
early stages of development but I=E2=80=99d like
 to think that we will have something to offer within the next 6 weeks. I h=
ave attached pictures of the mats fitted to my own car on which we develope=
d them, plus some of the display that we had on our stand at a Sprite 60<su=
p>th</sup> show in England this
 year. As you can see the plain rubber areas are made of a matching vinyl a=
nd stitched to the rubber which works well. The floor mats have been cut in=
 2 sections and again with the plain area made of matching vinyl but not st=
itched together. We tried this but
 the fit was poor so it was decided that trimming the cross member and chas=
sis section in loose vinyl would give a better result and then to lay the c=
ut ribbed rubber pieces over the top. In time we want to look at removing s=
ections of the ribbing to detail
 the heel mat, the borders and possibly even the circular inscription on th=
e left side of the tunnel with the words =E2=80=98Lift Mat To Fill=E2=80=99=
.=C2=A0 Also another area that we need to investigate into further is the d=
irection of the ribbing on the tunnel sides. I have now
 seen this in both vertical and horizontal on so called original sets. It m=
aybe that we will need to offer both unless we can determine which is most =
accurate but both ways is possible.</span></p><div><span style=3D"font-fami=
ly:sans-serif"> =C2=A0</span><br class=3D"m_3772928345748152843webkit-block=
-placeholder"></div><p class=3D"m_3772928345748152843ydp66606cf1yiv51838445=
97MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">With the help of a reco=
gnised English Sprite expert and the loan of the patterns he had made many =
years ago for his own hand made mats, we were able to accurately recreate a=
 good
 fitting tunnel cover. I must be clear that these mats are not pre-moulded =
as the originals but are more an acceptable attempt at something close to t=
he appearance and that can be produced and sold for a reasonable price. At =
the moment it=E2=80=99s too early to give
 you an accurate price as we don=E2=80=99t yet have all costs =C2=A0but are=
 hoping to keep the price around the =C2=A3300 mark for the set including t=
he door liners. Also we would only be able to supply in red and black but a=
re hopeful of blue and green in the future. This may
 depend on sales as the supplier of the red require a minimum 100 meter ord=
er to produce in other colours. We are prepared to invest in this if sales =
look remotely possible.=C2=A0 We will certainly be making some notable publ=
icity when the kits are ready to sell
 and I will of course contact you directly to advise.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0</sp=
an></p><div><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif"> =C2=A0</span><br class=
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