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From: Tom Witt via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 08:28:05 -0700
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I remember a number of years back this message board had a significant 
debate of what the real #86 BRG was. I recall discussion regarding paint 
that wasn't exposed to the elements still "aging," that a more recent 
repaint was therefore was more accurate as it had aged less, that any 
modern formulation method wasn't accurate and what REAL BRG was compared 
to Rootes BRG, and that Rootes got it wrong - I faintly recall one 
argument being (no that that mattered). Nothing wrong with striving for 
accuracy. It just seem like a moving target to hit and subject to the 
opinion of others. Wishing you the best in whatever you decide. In the 
end only YOU need to be content.

On 9/1/2021 5:53 AM, michael king wrote:
> Steve,
>
> Take off the latch panel for the bonnet covering the heater matrix in 
> the scuttle. The underside will have the original paint. And it won't 
> be sun faded.
>
> On Wednesday, 1 September 2021, steve wick via Tigers 
>
>     I'd be interested in hearing if someone comes up with a modern
>     paint code. My car is supposed to be Midnight Blue, but was
>     stripped and repainted red back in the mid '70's, so I don't have
>     a spot where I can have the paint shop scan the old paint.
>
>     Steve
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net
>     *Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2021 8:04 AM
>     *To:* 'Richard Bruner' <gammaman@mokancomm.net
>     *Cc:* 'Lance Beauchamp' <blance598@gmail.com
>     *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] New paints
>
>     Richard
>
>                     You probably got those numbers from me.
>
>     The problem is that at my paint shop those old numbers no longer
>     translate to a paint mix.
>
>     Some paint shops may have those old paint codes and mixes
>     available but most do not.
>
>     Ron Fraser
>
>     *From:* Richard Bruner <gammaman@mokancomm.net
>     *Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2021 10:54 AM
>     *Cc:* 'Lance Beauchamp' <blance598@gmail.com
>     *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] New paints
>
>     This is what I had saved from somewhere:
>
>     Ditzler code: 12633
>     Dulux enamel: 97365
>     Chrysler #: 75242838
>     Burger code: 404.1710
>     ICI: 2983
>
>
>     On Mon, August 30, 2021 9:32 am, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote:
>     > Paint code 58 is Midnight Blue ââ?¬â?? Ditzler # 12633
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > The problem is that these old paint codes do not correspond or
>     translate
>     > well into the new paint codes of today.
>     >
>     > 1st you need to see about getting the color match paint code you
>     want for
>     > your car.
>     >
>     > If someone here has the current paint code for #58, pass it along.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > Any Automotive paint shop should be able to mix the paint in
>     single stage
>     > or base coat/ clear coat.
>     >
>     > Single stage or BC/CC will most likely be determined by the
>     painter�s
>     > preference.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > Water base paints are sold to Professional Spray Paint Shops
>     only as far
>     > as I know. I have asked about water base paints and they would
>     not sell
>     > them to me.
>     >
>     > You really need a paint booth with correct equipment to spray,
>     dry and
>     > cure water base paint.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > Ron Fraser
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net
>     > via Tigers
>     > Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 8:40 AM
>     > To: Tiger Club. Submission <tigers@autox.team.net
>     > Subject: [Tigers] New paints
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > My 1964 Tiger thanks to a mishap and good insurance is getting a
>     complete
>     > repaint, my question is what is now the preferred paint used
>     today . My
>     > cars color is midnight blue, I believe 58 is the number. Should
>     I do base
>     > coat clear coat.
>     >
>     > I hear their is water based paints now, I'm not to up on the new
>     products.
>     > Any ideas are appreciated. Beau
>     >
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    <p>I remember a number of years back this message board had a
      significant debate of what the real #86 BRG was. I recall
      discussion regarding paint that wasn't exposed to the elements
      still "aging," that a more recent repaint was therefore was more
      accurate as it had aged less, that any modern formulation method
      wasn't accurate and what REAL BRG was compared to Rootes BRG, and
      that Rootes got it wrong - I faintly recall one argument being (no
      that that mattered). Nothing wrong with striving for accuracy. It
      just seem like a moving target to hit and subject to the opinion
      of others. Wishing you the best in whatever you decide. In the end
      only YOU need to be content.<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/1/2021 5:53 AM, michael king
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
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cite="mid:CAET8snUnVv2OJxujtujJpzuZtTG=nOEeUX7X-uB-pK+=tFuGGw@mail.gmail.com">
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      Steve,
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Take off the latch panel for the bonnet covering the heater
        matrix in the scuttle. The underside will have the original
        paint. And it won't be sun faded.<br>
        <br>
        On Wednesday, 1 September 2021, steve wick via Tigers &lt;<a
          href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; 
moz-do-not-send="true">tigers@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
        wrote:<br>
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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          <div dir="ltr">
            <div
style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">I'd
              be interested in hearing if someone comes up with a modern
              paint code. My car is supposed to be Midnight Blue, but
              was stripped and repainted red back in the mid '70's, so I
              don't have a spot where I can have the paint shop scan the
              old paint.</div>
            <div
style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
            </div>
            <div
style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Steve</div>
            <div>
              <div
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              <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%">
              <div dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt" face="Calibri,
                  sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Tigers &lt;<a
                    href="mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net";
                    target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">tigers-bounces@autox.team.net</a><wbr>&gt;
                  on behalf of Ron Fraser &lt;<a
                    href="mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com"; target="_blank"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">rfraser@bluefrog.com</a>&gt;<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 30, 2021 8:04 AM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> 'Richard Bruner' &lt;<a
                    href="mailto:gammaman@mokancomm.net"; target="_blank"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">gammaman@mokancomm.net</a>&gt;<br>
                  <b>Cc:</b> 'Lance Beauchamp' &lt;<a
                    href="mailto:blance598@gmail.com"; target="_blank"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">blance598@gmail.com</a>&gt;;
                  <a href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target="_blank"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">tigers@autox.team.net</a>
                  &lt;<a href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";
                    target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">tigers@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] New paints</font>
                <div> </div>
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                  <p style="margin:0in 0in
                    0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
                    Richard</p>
                  <p style="margin:0in 0in
                    0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
                                    You probably got those 
numbers from
                    me.</p>
                  <p style="margin:0in 0in
                    0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
                     </p>
                  <p style="margin:0in 0in
                    0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
                    The problem is that at my paint shop those old
                    numbers no longer translate to a paint mix.</p>
                  <p style="margin:0in 0in
                    0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
                    Some paint shops may have those old paint codes and
                    mixes available but most do not.</p>
                  <p style="margin:0in 0in
                    0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
                     </p>
                  <p style="margin:0in 0in
                    0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
                    Ron Fraser</p>
                  <p style="margin:0in 0in
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                     </p>
                  <p style="margin:0in 0in
                    0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
                    <b>From:</b> Richard Bruner &lt;<a
                      href="mailto:gammaman@mokancomm.net";
                      target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">gammaman@mokancomm.net</a>&gt;
                    <br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 30, 2021 10:54 AM<br>
                    <b>To:</b> Ron Fraser &lt;<a
                      href="mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com"; target="_blank"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">rfraser@bluefrog.com</a>&gt;<br>
                    <b>Cc:</b> 'Lance Beauchamp' &lt;<a
                      href="mailto:blance598@gmail.com"; target="_blank"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">blance598@gmail.com</a>&gt;;
                    <a href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";
                      target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">tigers@autox.team.net</a><br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] New paints</p>
                  <p style="margin:0in 0in
                    0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
                     </p>
                  <p style="margin:0in 0in
                    0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
                    This is what I had saved from somewhere:<br>
                    <br>
                    Ditzler code: 12633<br>
                    Dulux enamel: 97365<br>
                    Chrysler #: 75242838<br>
                    Burger code: 404.1710<br>
                    ICI: 2983<br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    On Mon, August 30, 2021 9:32 am, Ron Fraser via
                    Tigers wrote:<br>
                    &gt; Paint code 58 is Midnight Blue ââ?¬â?? Ditzler #
                    12633<br>
                    &gt;<br>
                    &gt;<br>
                    &gt;<br>
                    &gt; The problem is that these old paint codes do
                    not correspond or translate<br>
                    &gt; well into the new paint codes of today.<br>
                    &gt;<br>
                    &gt; 1st you need to see about getting the color
                    match paint code you want for<br>
                    &gt; your car.<br>
                    &gt;<br>
                    &gt; If someone here has the current paint code for
                    #58, pass it along.<br>
                    &gt;<br>
                    &gt;<br>
                    &gt;<br>
                    &gt; Any Automotive paint shop should be able to mix
                    the paint in single stage<br>
                    &gt; or base coat/ clear coat.<br>
                    &gt;<br>
                    &gt; Single stage or BC/CC will most likely be
                    determined by the painter�s<br>
                    &gt; preference.<br>
                    &gt;<br>
                    &gt;<br>
                    &gt;<br>
                    &gt; Water base paints are sold to Professional
                    Spray Paint Shops only as far<br>
                    &gt; as I know. I have asked about water base paints
                    and they would not sell<br>
                    &gt; them to me.<br>
                    &gt;<br>
                    &gt; You really need a paint booth with correct
                    equipment to spray, dry and<br>
                    &gt; cure water base paint.<br>
                    &gt;<br>
                    &gt;<br>
                    &gt;<br>
                    &gt; Ron Fraser<br>
                    &gt;<br>
                    &gt;<br>
                    &gt;<br>
                    &gt;<br>
                    From: Tigers &lt;<a
                      href="mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net";
                      target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">tigers-bounces@autox.team.net</a><wbr>&gt;
                    On Behalf Of Lance Beauchamp<br>
                    &gt; via Tigers<br>
                    &gt; Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 8:40 AM<br>
                    &gt; To: Tiger Club. Submission &lt;<a
                      href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";
                      target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">tigers@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
                    &gt; Subject: [Tigers] New paints<br>
                    &gt;<br>
                    &gt;<br>
                    &gt;<br>
                    &gt; My 1964 Tiger thanks to a mishap and good
                    insurance is getting a complete<br>
                    &gt; repaint, my question is what is now the
                    preferred paint used today . My<br>
                    &gt; cars color is midnight blue, I believe 58 is
                    the number. Should I do base<br>
                    &gt; coat clear coat.<br>
                    &gt;<br>
                    &gt; I hear their is water based paints now, I'm not
                    to up on the new products.<br>
                    &gt; Any ideas are appreciated. Beau<br>
                    &gt;<br>
                    &gt; 
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