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A note on trunk hindges, if you bought some reproduction units and they cam=
e with fasteners, you might find they are 6mm thread instead of 1/4-28, i d=
rilled mine slightly and helicoiled to 1/4-28 so i could use correct fasten=
ers
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Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 20:39:20 -0400
From: jimdamelio <jimdamelio@verizon.net>
To: Allan Ballard <aballard@ix.netcom.com>, James Lindner
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Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
I have an 8 X 10 B&W photo of a MKII engine compartment and trunk taken by =
Road & Track when they tested the car.? You used to be able to buy copies o=
f the pictures from them for a few bucks.? I requested copies of the MKI, b=
ut they couldn't find them.Jim DSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Allan Ballard via Tigers <tigers@au=
tox.team.net> Date: 5/15/22=C2=A0 7:36 PM=C2=A0 (GMT-05:00) To: James Lindn=
er <jliny5@cox.net> Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct=
trunk hinge fasteners Jim?s work to document Tigers and Alpines is extraor=
dinary.A library of supplemental photographs from original cars could only =
help however, deepening the substances of ?his primary resource.A while ago=
at a show I met a couple with an unmolested, original Mk II Tiger.They off=
ered its use for just such purposes as we?ve discussed here.Unfortunately I=
lost their card.Other opportunities exist.Sent from my iPhoneOn May 15, 20=
22, at 12:43 PM, James Lindner via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:?Al=
ong the lines of a photo library, I would direct you to the Tiger and Alpin=
e Judging guides on the TEAE website. These documents took me years to put =
together, and although the photos are often of restored cars, the informati=
on contained within came from som
e of the most knowledgeable Tiger and Alpine people. I cannot swear it is =
absolutely 100% accurate, but it is pretty close.The Tiger guide was my fir=
st effort and at 30+ pages it does not go too deep.?https://www.teae.org/ca=
rs/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/StockTigerQuickReferenceV2-19.pdfThe Alpine g=
uide however, is more comprehensive and runs to 130 pages.https://www.teae.=
org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Judging-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.=
pdfThese are living documents which I update occasionally. Soon I will be a=
dding the info about hinge fasteners, along with a couple other updates/cor=
rections. OBTW?I am going with unpainted hinge fasteners.Jim LindnerSent fr=
om my iPadOn May 15, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com> w=
rote:?Mayf sent me this note and I wanted to make sure everyone on the List=
received it.What I think we need is a photo record from any original owner =
with anoriginal Tiger to send photos to the List.Photos of each Tiger Serie=
s would be the goal - B
947, B948, B382 and B3821.I also think photos of each Alpine Series would =
be helpful.Ron Fraser-----Original Message-----From: Larry Mayfield <drmayf=
@mayfco.com> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:49 AMTo: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser=
@bluefrog.com>Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fastenersRon, mine =
are OEM. Round slot screws where they run on the weather seal andstud and n=
ut other side through the deck and into the hinge. ?None arepainted. ?And m=
y car has been painted 3 times since I acquired it. Paintshops knew not to =
paint them. mayf-----Original Message-----From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@auto=
x.team.net> On Behalf Of Ron FraserSent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 4:56 AMTo: =
'Allan Ballard' <aballard@ix.netcom.com>Cc: tigers@Autox.Team.NetSubject: R=
e: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fastenersAllan ? ?The photo evidence indica=
tes that the Parts List is not correct.The fasteners should be natural colo=
r, not painted.The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then install=
ed.The March 1963 shows
=C2=A0 this screw in the Series I & II section for the trunkhinge2203571 ? =
?Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" SpecialThis screw is also listed for the Series II=
I & IV trunk hinge but the wordSpecial is not there.This screw # does not s=
how up in the ZY section of the Parts List.Your pictures look like a large =
headed Round Screw much like a license platescrew.I know my trunk hinge fas=
teners are not original so no help there.Ron Fraser-----Original Message---=
--From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard v=
iaTigersSent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AMTo: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman@gm=
ail.com>Cc: Tiger List List <tigers@autox.team.net>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Co=
rrect trunk hinge fastenersThese are going on my ForestGreen Mk1a Tiger:___=
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<p dir=3D"ltr">A note on trunk hindges, if you bought some reproduction uni=
ts and they came with fasteners, you might find they are 6mm thread instead=
of 1/4-28, i drilled mine slightly and helicoiled to 1/4-28 so i could use=
correct fasteners</p>
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pics:<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'><br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'> 1. Re: C=
orrect trunk hinge fasteners (jimdamelio)<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'><br></d=
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div><div dir=3D'ltr'>Message: 1<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>Date: Sun, 15 May=
2022 20:39:20 -0400<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>From: jimdamelio <<a ymai=
lto=3D"mailto:jimdamelio@verizon.net"; href=3D"mailto:jimdamelio@verizon.net=
">jimdamelio@verizon.net</a>><br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>To: Allan Ballar=
d <<a ymailto=3D"mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.com"; href=3D"mailto:aballard@=
ix.netcom.com">aballard@ix.netcom.com</a>>, James Lindner<br></div><div =
dir=3D'ltr'> <<a ymailto=3D"mailto:jliny5@cox.net"; hre=
f=3D"mailto:jliny5@cox.net";>jliny5@cox.net</a>><br></div><div dir=3D'ltr=
'>Cc: <a ymailto=3D"mailto:Tigers@autox.team.net"; href=3D"mailto:Tigers@aut=
ox.team.net">Tigers@autox.team.net</a><br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>Subject: R=
e: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>Message=
-ID: <<a ymailto=3D"mailto:2112457240.248679.1652661565217@verizon.net"; =
href=3D"mailto:2112457240.248679.1652661565217@verizon.net";>2112457240.2486=
79.1652661565217@verizon.net</a>><br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>Content-Type=
: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'><br></div><div di=
r=3D'ltr'>I have an 8 X 10 B&W photo of a MKII engine compartment and t=
runk taken by Road & Track when they tested the car.? You used to be ab=
le to buy copies of the pictures from them for a few bucks.? I requested co=
pies of the MKI, but they couldn't find them.Jim DSent from my Galaxy<br></=
div><div dir=3D'ltr'>-------- Original message --------From: Allan Ballard =
via Tigers <<a ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; href=3D"mailto:t=
igers@autox.team.net">tigers@autox.team.net</a>> Date: 5/15/22 7:3=
6 PM (GMT-05:00) To: James Lindner <<a ymailto=3D"mailto:jliny5@co=
x.net" href=3D"mailto:jliny5@cox.net";>jliny5@cox.net</a>> Cc: <a ymailto=
=3D"mailto:Tigers@autox.team.net"; href=3D"mailto:Tigers@autox.team.net";>Tig=
ers@autox.team.net</a> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners =
Jim?s work to document Tigers and Alpines is extraordinary.A library of sup=
plemental photographs from original cars could only help however, deepening=
the substances of ?his primary resource.A while ago at a show I met a coup=
le with an unmolested, original Mk II Tiger.They offered its use for just s=
uch purposes as we?ve discussed here.Unfortunately I lost their card.Other =
opportunities exist.Sent from my iPhoneOn May 15, 2022, at 12:43 PM, James =
Lindner via Tigers <<a ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; href=3D"=
mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:?Along th=
e lines of a photo library, I would direct you to the Tiger and Alpine Judg=
ing guides on the TEAE website. These documents took me years to put togeth=
er, and although the photos are often of restored cars, the information con=
tained within came from som<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'> e of the most knowle=
dgeable Tiger and Alpine people. I cannot swear it is absolutely 100% accur=
ate, but it is pretty close.The Tiger guide was my first effort and at 30+ =
pages it does not go too deep.?<a href=3D"https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-cont=
ent/uploads/2019/08/StockTigerQuickReferenceV2-19.pdfThe " target=3D_blank>=
https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/StockTigerQuickReferen=
ceV2-19.pdfThe </a>Alpine guide however, is more comprehensive and runs to =
130 pages.https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Jud=
ging-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdfThese are living documents which I update occ=
asionally. Soon I will be adding the info about hinge fasteners, along with=
a couple other updates/corrections. OBTW?I am going with unpainted hinge f=
asteners.Jim LindnerSent from my iPadOn May 15, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Ron Fras=
er <<a ymailto=3D"mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com"; href=3D"mailto:rfraser@bl=
uefrog.com">rfraser@bluefrog.com</a>> wrote:?Mayf sent me this note and =
I wanted to make sure everyone on the Listreceived it.What I think we need =
is a photo record from any original owner with anoriginal Tiger to send pho=
tos to the List.Photos of each Tiger Series would be the goal - B<br></div>=
<div dir=3D'ltr'> 947, B948, B382 and B3821.I also think photos of each Alp=
ine Series would be helpful.Ron Fraser-----Original Message-----From: Larry=
Mayfield <<a ymailto=3D"mailto:drmayf@mayfco.com"; href=3D"mailto:drmayf=
@mayfco.com">drmayf@mayfco.com</a>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:49 A=
MTo: 'Ron Fraser' <<a ymailto=3D"mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com"; href=3D"ma=
ilto:rfraser@bluefrog.com">rfraser@bluefrog.com</a>>Subject: RE: [Tigers=
] Correct trunk hinge fastenersRon, mine are OEM. Round slot screws where t=
hey run on the weather seal andstud and nut other side through the deck and=
into the hinge. ?None arepainted. ?And my car has been painted 3 times sin=
ce I acquired it. Paintshops knew not to paint them. mayf-----Original Mess=
age-----From: Tigers <<a ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net=
" href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net";>tigers-bounces@autox.team.n=
et</a>> On Behalf Of Ron FraserSent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 4:56 AMTo: '=
Allan Ballard' <<a ymailto=3D"mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.com"; href=3D"mai=
lto:aballard@ix.netcom.com">aballard@ix.netcom.com</a>>Cc: <a ymailto=3D=
"mailto:tigers@Autox.Team.NetSubject"; href=3D"mailto:tigers@Autox.Team.NetS=
ubject">tigers@Autox.Team.NetSubject</a>: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge =
fastenersAllan ? ?The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not c=
orrect.The fasteners should be natural color, not painted.The trunk lid wou=
ld be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.The March 1963 shows<br></div=
><div dir=3D'ltr'> this screw in the Series I & II section for th=
e trunkhinge2203571 ? ?Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" SpecialThis screw is also li=
sted for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the wordSpecial is not the=
re.This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.Your p=
ictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license platescrew=
.I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.Ron Fras=
er-----Original Message-----From: Tigers <<a ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers-bo=
unces@autox.team.net" href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net";>tigers-=
bounces@autox.team.net</a>> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard viaTigersSent: Sa=
turday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AMTo: Jay Laifman <<a ymailto=3D"mailto:jay.la=
ifman@gmail.com" href=3D"mailto:jay.laifman@gmail.com";>jay.laifman@gmail.co=
m</a>>Cc: Tiger List List <<a ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net=
" href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.net</a>>Subjec=
t: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fastenersThese are going on my ForestGr=
een Mk1a Tiger:<a ymailto=3D"mailto:_______________________________________=
________tigers@autox.team.netDonate" href=3D"mailto:_______________________=
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