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Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
From: James Lindner <jliny5@cox.net>
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 08:53:07 -0400
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Jim

Sorry, I lost track of the email string. Thanks.

Jim

Sent from my iPad

> On May 16, 2022, at 8:48 AM, jimdamelio <jimdamelio@verizon.net> wrote:
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> Jim,
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> They were my photos and you can use them as you like.
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> Jim D
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> Sent from my Galaxy
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: James Lindner <jliny5@cox.net>
> Date: 5/16/22 8:40 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Allan Ballard <aballard@ix.netcom.com>
> Cc: tigers@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>=20
> Allan
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> If you do not mind, I will add the MkII period photos to the Tiger guide. I=
f OK and you have any more period photos of Tigers please pass them along. I=
 tried making copies of the photos in the articles online, but a photo of a c=
opy and then enlarging just does not work.
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> Thanks
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> Jim
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> Sent from my iPad
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>>> On May 15, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Allan Ballard <aballard@ix.netcom.com> wrot=
e:
>>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BFJim=E2=80=99s work to document Tigers and Alpines is extraordina=
ry.
>>=20
>> A library of supplemental photographs from original cars could only help h=
owever, deepening the substances of  his primary resource.
>>=20
>> A while ago at a show I met a couple with an unmolested, original Mk II T=
iger.
>>=20
>> They offered its use for just such purposes as we=E2=80=99ve discussed he=
re.
>>=20
>> Unfortunately I lost their card.
>>=20
>> Other opportunities exist.
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>=20
>>>> On May 15, 2022, at 12:43 PM, James Lindner via Tigers <tigers@autox.te=
am.net> wrote:
>>>>=20
>>> =EF=BB=BFAlong the lines of a photo library, I would direct you to the T=
iger and Alpine Judging guides on the TEAE website. These documents took me y=
ears to put together, and although the photos are often of restored cars, th=
e information contained within came from some of the most knowledgeable Tige=
r and Alpine people. I cannot swear it is absolutely 100% accurate, but it i=
s pretty close.
>>>=20
>>> The Tiger guide was my first effort and at 30+ pages it does not go too d=
eep.=20
>>>=20
>>> https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/StockTigerQuickRefe=
renceV2-19.pdf
>>>=20
>>> The Alpine guide however, is more comprehensive and runs to 130 pages.
>>>=20
>>> https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Judging-Gu=
ide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf
>>>=20
>>> These are living documents which I update occasionally. Soon I will be a=
dding the info about hinge fasteners, along with a couple other updates/corr=
ections. OBTW=E2=80=A6I am going with unpainted hinge fasteners.
>>>=20
>>> Jim Lindner
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>=20
>>>>> On May 15, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com> wrote:=

>>>>>=20
>>>> =EF=BB=BFMayf sent me this note and I wanted to make sure everyone on t=
he List
>>>> received it.
>>>>=20
>>>> What I think we need is a photo record from any original owner with an
>>>> original Tiger to send photos to the List.
>>>>=20
>>>> Photos of each Tiger Series would be the goal - B947, B948, B382 and B3=
821.
>>>> I also think photos of each Alpine Series would be helpful.
>>>>=20
>>>> Ron Fraser
>>>>=20
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Larry Mayfield <drmayf@mayfco.com>=20
>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:49 AM
>>>> To: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser@bluefrog.com>
>>>> Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>>>>=20
>>>> Ron, mine are OEM. Round slot screws where they run on the weather seal=
 and
>>>> stud and nut other side through the deck and into the hinge.  None are
>>>> painted.  And my car has been painted 3 times since I acquired it. Pain=
t
>>>> shops knew not to paint them.=20
>>>>=20
>>>> mayf
>>>>=20
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 4:56 AM
>>>> To: 'Allan Ballard' <aballard@ix.netcom.com>
>>>> Cc: tigers@Autox.Team.Net
>>>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>>>>=20
>>>> Allan
>>>>    The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.
>>>>=20
>>>> The fasteners should be natural color, not painted.
>>>> The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.
>>>>=20
>>>> The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the tr=
unk
>>>> hinge
>>>> 2203571    Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Special
>>>> This screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the w=
ord
>>>> Special is not there.
>>>>=20
>>>> This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.
>>>>=20
>>>> Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license p=
late
>>>> screw.
>>>>=20
>>>> I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.
>>>>=20
>>>> Ron Fraser
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard=
 via
>>>> Tigers
>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AM
>>>> To: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman@gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: Tiger List List <tigers@autox.team.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>>>>=20
>>>> These are going on my Forest
>>>> Green Mk1a Tiger:
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Jim<div><br></div><div>Sorry, I lost track o=
f the email string. Thanks.</div><div><br></div><div>Jim<br><br><div dir=3D"=
ltr">Sent from my iPad</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">O=
n May 16, 2022, at 8:48 AM, jimdamelio &lt;jimdamelio@verizon.net&gt; wrote:=
<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=
=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3DUTF-8">=
<div dir=3D"auto">Jim,</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Th=
ey were my photos and you can use them as you like.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><=
br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Jim D</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div id=3D"composer_signature" d=
ir=3D"auto"><div style=3D"font-size:12px;color:#575757" dir=3D"auto">Sent fr=
om my Galaxy</div></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div><br></div><div alig=
n=3D"left" dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-size:100%;color:#000000"><div>--------=
 Original message --------</div><div>From: James Lindner &lt;jliny5@cox.net&=
gt; </div><div>Date: 5/16/22  8:40 AM  (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: Allan Ball=
ard &lt;aballard@ix.netcom.com&gt; </div><div>Cc: tigers@autox.team.net </di=
v><div>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners </div><div><br></=
div></div>Allan<div><br></div><div>If you do not mind, I will add the MkII p=
eriod photos to the Tiger guide. If OK and you have any more period photos o=
f Tigers please pass them along. I tried making copies of the photos in the a=
rticles online, but a photo of a copy and then enlarging just does not work.=
</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks</div><div><br></div><div>Jim<br><br><div di=
r=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPad</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"ci=
te">On May 15, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Allan Ballard &lt;aballard@ix.netcom.com&gt=
; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr=
">=EF=BB=BFJim=E2=80=99s work to document Tigers and Alpines is extraordinar=
y.<div><br><div>A library of supplemental photographs from original cars cou=
ld only help however, deepening the substances of &nbsp;his primary resource=
.</div><div><br></div><div>A while ago at a show I met a couple with an unmo=
lested, original Mk II Tiger.</div><div><br></div><div>They offered its use f=
or just such purposes as we=E2=80=99ve discussed here.</div><div><br></div><=
div>Unfortunately I lost their card.</div><div><br></div><div>Other opportun=
ities exist.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Se=
nt from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On May=
 15, 2022, at 12:43 PM, James Lindner via Tigers &lt;tigers@autox.team.net&g=
t; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"lt=
r">=EF=BB=BFAlong the lines of a photo library, I would direct you to the Ti=
ger and Alpine Judging guides on the TEAE website. These documents took me y=
ears to put together, and although the photos are often of restored cars, th=
e information contained within came from some of the most knowledgeable Tige=
r and Alpine people. I cannot swear it is absolutely 100% accurate, but it i=
s pretty close.<div><br></div><div>The Tiger guide was my first effort and a=
t 30+ pages it does not go too deep.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D=
"https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/StockTigerQuickReferen=
ceV2-19.pdf">https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/StockTiger=
QuickReferenceV2-19.pdf</a></div><div><br></div><div>The Alpine guide howeve=
r, is more comprehensive and runs to 130 pages.</div><div><br></div><div><a h=
ref=3D"https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Judging=
-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf">https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/202=
1/09/Concours-Judging-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf</a><br><br>These are living d=
ocuments which I update occasionally. Soon I will be adding the info about h=
inge fasteners, along with a couple other updates/corrections. OBTW=E2=80=A6=
I am going with unpainted hinge fasteners.</div><div><br></div><div>Jim Lind=
ner</div><div><br></div><div><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPad</div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On May 15, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Ro=
n Fraser &lt;rfraser@bluefrog.com&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><bloc=
kquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<span>Mayf sent me this note a=
nd I wanted to make sure everyone on the List</span><br><span>received it.</=
span><br><span></span><br><span>What I think we need is a photo record from a=
ny original owner with an</span><br><span>original Tiger to send photos to t=
he List.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Photos of each Tiger Series would b=
e the goal - B947, B948, B382 and B3821.</span><br><span>I also think photos=
 of each Alpine Series would be helpful.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Ro=
n Fraser</span><br><span></span><br><span>-----Original Message-----</span><=
br><span>From: Larry Mayfield &lt;drmayf@mayfco.com&gt; </span><br><span>Sen=
t: Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:49 AM</span><br><span>To: 'Ron Fraser' &lt;rfra=
ser@bluefrog.com&gt;</span><br><span>Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hin=
ge fasteners</span><br><span></span><br><span>Ron, mine are OEM. Round slot s=
crews where they run on the weather seal and</span><br><span>stud and nut ot=
her side through the deck and into the hinge. &nbsp;None are</span><br><span=
>painted. &nbsp;And my car has been painted 3 times since I acquired it. Pai=
nt</span><br><span>shops knew not to paint them. </span><br><span></span><br=
><span>mayf</span><br><span></span><br><span>-----Original Message-----</spa=
n><br><span>From: Tigers &lt;tigers-bounces@autox.team.net&gt; On Behalf Of R=
on Fraser</span><br><span>Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 4:56 AM</span><br><sp=
an>To: 'Allan Ballard' &lt;aballard@ix.netcom.com&gt;</span><br><span>Cc: ti=
gers@Autox.Team.Net</span><br><span>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hing=
e fasteners</span><br><span></span><br><span>Allan</span><br><span> &nbsp; &=
nbsp;The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.</span>=
<br><span></span><br><span>The fasteners should be natural color, not painte=
d.</span><br><span>The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then inst=
alled.</span><br><span></span><br><span>The March 1963 shows this screw in t=
he Series I &amp; II section for the trunk</span><br><span>hinge</span><br><=
span>2203571 &nbsp; &nbsp;Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Special</span><br><span>Th=
is screw is also listed for the Series III &amp; IV trunk hinge but the word=
</span><br><span>Special is not there.</span><br><span></span><br><span>This=
 screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.</span><br><sp=
an></span><br><span>Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much l=
ike a license plate</span><br><span>screw.</span><br><span></span><br><span>=
I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.</span><br=
><span></span><br><span>Ron Fraser</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><=
br><span>-----Original Message-----</span><br><span>From: Tigers &lt;tigers-=
bounces@autox.team.net&gt; On Behalf Of Allan Ballard via</span><br><span>Ti=
gers</span><br><span>Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AM</span><br><span>To=
: Jay Laifman &lt;jay.laifman@gmail.com&gt;</span><br><span>Cc: Tiger List L=
ist &lt;tigers@autox.team.net&gt;</span><br><span>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Corr=
ect trunk hinge fasteners</span><br><span></span><br><span>These are going o=
n my Forest</span><br><span>Green Mk1a Tiger:</span><br><span></span><br><sp=
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