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To: Craig <craiggolfs@bendbroadband.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shocks
From: michael king <michael.s.king@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 22 May 2023 10:27:32 +0800
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Rick=3D sunbeam specialties =F0=9F=98=89

On Mon, 22 May 2023, 5:09 am Craig via Tigers, <tigers@autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I'm sorry.  I'm new here.  Could you give me Rick's number?
>
> On 5/21/2023 11:50 AM, twotigers--- via Tigers wrote:
>
> Rick has a slew of Koni=E2=80=99s for Tigers- when I bought mine last yea=
r he had
> dozens left- give him a call!
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net>
> <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Michael Wood via Tigers
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 21, 2023 9:25 AM
> *To:* tigers@autox.team.net; sixtysixtiger@hotmail.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Shocks
>
>
>
> I can check with my friends at KONI, but I seem to remember that the guy
> at Classic Garage was the only vendor ordering the Tiger part numbers. I
> guess just call him and see if they are having more made.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Craig via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
> To: Arden Bedell <sixtysixtiger@hotmail.com>; tigers@autox.team.net
> Sent: Sat, May 20, 2023 8:19 pm
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shocks
>
> Looks like they are both "Out of Stock".
> Darn it  :-(
>
> On 5/20/2023 6:19 PM, Arden Bedell via Tigers wrote:
>
> Classic Garage:
>
> https://classicgarage.com/sunbeam3.html
>
> Koni front shocks:
>
> https://classicgarage.com/sualtifrsh.html
>
> Koni rear shocks:
>
> https://classicgarage.com/sualtiresh.html
>
>
>
> On 5/20/23 4:40 PM, Allan Ballard via Tigers wrote:
>
> Front: 8210 1160. (6 may be a 0 can=E2=80=99t tell for sure)
>
> Older Koni adjustable off the car
>
> -
>
> Rear shocks are still on the car
>
>
>
>
>
> On May 19, 2023, at 7:14 PM, Craig via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
> <tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> Does anyone have the part numbers for Koni's?  Front and back?  I
> contacted Vivid Racing and they just sent me pages and pages to pick from=
.
> Would appreciate any help.
> Thanks,
> Craig
>
> On 5/16/2023 7:23 AM, Will Seay via Tigers wrote:
>
> OK, might as well add my 2-cents worth.  I put Konis on my Tiger in about
> '68.  They're still working great after about 55 years.
>
>
>
> Will - 382001570
> Tigers@embarqmail.com
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>
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 2:55=E2=80=AFAM twotigers--- via Tigers <
> tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Yup, Konis. Just replaced my old KYB gas shocks- what a difference!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Dr. T. Y.
> McDowell
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2023 3:40 PM
> To: Peter and Bonnie MacDonald <macdonald49@shaw.ca>;
> tigers@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shocks
>
> Me too! Konis are the way to go.
>
> Tym McDowell
> > On 05/15/2023 3:13 PM Peter and Bonnie MacDonald <macdonald49@shaw.ca>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I have used KONI=E2=80=99s for many years with good performance. They a=
re
> adjustable and they can also be rebuilt.
> >
> > Peter
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<div dir=3D"auto">Rick=3D sunbeam specialties =F0=9F=98=89</div><br><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, 22 May 20=
23, 5:09 am Craig via Tigers, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>=
tigers@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex=
">
 =20
   =20
 =20
  <div>
    I&#39;m sorry.=C2=A0 I&#39;m new here.=C2=A0 Could you give me Rick&#39=
;s number?<br>
    <br>
    <div>On 5/21/2023 11:50 AM, twotigers--- via
      Tigers wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
     =20
     =20
      <div>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rick has a slew of Koni=E2=80=99s for Tigers=
- when
          I bought mine last year he had dozens left- give him a call!<u></=
u><u></u></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
        <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.=
0pt 0in 0in 0in">
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tigers
            <a href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_bla=
nk" rel=3D"noreferrer">&lt;tigers-bounces@autox.team.net&gt;</a> <b>On Beha=
lf Of </b>Michael
            Wood via Tigers<br>
            <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 21, 2023 9:25 AM<br>
            <b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_=
blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">tigers@autox.team.net</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:sixt=
ysixtiger@hotmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">sixtysixtiger@h=
otmail.com</a><br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Shocks<u></u><u></u></p>
        </div>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
        <div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">I
                can check with my friends at KONI, but I seem to
                remember that the guy at Classic Garage was the only
                vendor ordering the Tiger part numbers. I guess just
                call him and see if they are having more made.<u></u><u></u=
></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black=
">Mike<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                -----Original Message-----<br>
                From: Craig via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.t=
eam.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">tigers@autox.team.net</a>&gt;=
<br>
                To: Arden Bedell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sixtysixtiger@hotmai=
l.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">sixtysixtiger@hotmail.com</a>&g=
t;;
                <a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"noreferrer">tigers@autox.team.net</a><br>
                Sent: Sat, May 20, 2023 8:19 pm<br>
                Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shocks<u></u><u></u></span></p>
          </div>
          <div id=3D"m_6809814893376715718yiv7160800527">
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:bla=
ck">Looks
                  like they are both &quot;Out of Stock&quot;.=C2=A0 <br>
                  Darn it=C2=A0 :-(<u></u><u></u></span></p>
              <div>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">On
                    5/20/2023 6:19 PM, Arden Bedell via Tigers wrote:<u></u=
><u></u></span></p>
              </div>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&qu=
ot;,sans-serif;color:black">Classic
                  Garage:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
              <blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                <p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&=
quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><a href=3D"https://classicgarage.com/sunbeam3=
.html" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://classicgarage.com/sunbe=
am3.html</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
              </blockquote>
              <p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&qu=
ot;,sans-serif;color:black">Koni
                  front shocks:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
              <blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                <p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&=
quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><a href=3D"https://classicgarage.com/sualtifr=
sh.html" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://classicgarage.com/sua=
ltifrsh.html</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
              </blockquote>
              <p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&qu=
ot;,sans-serif;color:black">Koni
                  rear shocks:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
              <blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                <p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&=
quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><a href=3D"https://classicgarage.com/sualtire=
sh.html" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://classicgarage.com/sua=
ltiresh.html</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
              </blockquote>
              <p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&qu=
ot;,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
              <div>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">On
                    5/20/23 4:40 PM, Allan Ballard via Tigers wrote:<u></u>=
<u></u></span></p>
              </div>
              <blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Front:
                    8210 1160. (6 may be a 0 can=E2=80=99t tell for sure) <=
u></u><u></u></span></p>
                <div>
                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Older
                      Koni adjustable off the car<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">-=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></=
span></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Rear
                      shocks are still on the car<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></s=
pan></p>
                  <div>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><br>
                        <br>
                        <u></u><u></u></span></p>
                    <blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0=
pt">
                      <div>
                        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">On
                            May 19, 2023, at 7:14 PM, Craig via Tigers <a h=
ref=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">&=
lt;tigers@autox.team.net&gt;</a>
                            wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                      </div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0p=
t;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></span></p>
                      <div>
                        <div>
                          <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.=
0pt"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-ser=
if;color:black">Does
                              anyone have the part numbers for Koni&#39;s?=
=C2=A0
                              Front and back?=C2=A0 I contacted Vivid Racin=
g
                              and they just sent me pages and pages to
                              pick from.<br>
                              Would appreciate any help.<br>
                              Thanks,<br>
                              Craig<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                          <div>
                            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">On
                                5/16/2023 7:23 AM, Will Seay via Tigers
                                wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bott=
om:5.0pt">
                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">OK,
                                    might as well add my 2-cents worth.=C2=
=A0
                                    I put Konis on my Tiger in about
                                    &#39;68.=C2=A0 They&#39;re still workin=
g great
                                    after about 55 years.<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Will
                                        - 382001570 <br>
                                        <a href=3D"mailto:Tigers@embarqmail=
.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">Tigers@embarqmail.com</a><u></u>=
<u></u></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0=
<u></u></span></p>
                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">On
                                    Tue, May 16, 2023 at 2:55=E2=80=AFAM
                                    twotigers--- via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">tigers@a=
utox.team.net</a>&gt;
                                    wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:=
solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-righ=
t:0in">
                                <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bott=
om:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sa=
ns-serif;color:black">Yup,
                                    Konis. Just replaced my old KYB gas
                                    shocks- what a difference!<br>
                                    <br>
                                    -----Original Message-----<br>
                                    From: Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tige=
rs-bounces@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">tigers-boun=
ces@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
                                    On Behalf Of Dr. T. Y. McDowell<br>
                                    Sent: Monday, May 15, 2023 3:40 PM<br>
                                    To: Peter and Bonnie MacDonald &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:macdonald49@shaw.ca"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">mac=
donald49@shaw.ca</a>&gt;;
                                    <a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net=
" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">tigers@autox.team.net</a><br>
                                    Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shocks<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Me too! Konis are the way to go.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Tym McDowell<br>
                                    &gt; On 05/15/2023 3:13 PM Peter and
                                    Bonnie MacDonald &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
macdonald49@shaw.ca" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">macdonald49@shaw.=
ca</a>&gt;
                                    wrote:<br>
                                    &gt; <br>
                                    &gt;=C2=A0 <br>
                                    &gt; I have used KONI=E2=80=99s for man=
y
                                    years with good performance. They
                                    are adjustable and they can also be
                                    rebuilt.<br>
                                    &gt; <br>
                                    &gt; Peter<br>
                                    &gt;
                                    _______________________________________=
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