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Re: BMW Z3/TR 2- 4 engine

To: mmcewen@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca
Subject: Re: BMW Z3/TR 2- 4 engine
From: Gerhard.Wiederholl@t-online.de (Gerhard Wiederholl)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 12:19:05 +0100
Cc: triumphs@Autox.Team.Net
References: <v01540b00b0cad50969dc@[129.128.230.48]>
Hello John,

because there are different opinions about the TR 4 engine history on the list 
I 
did some research with the TR stuff availible to me. At last I found the Harry 
Webster interview in a Triumph-mag of our club. It was a German translation of 
a Harry Webster interview by Steve Redway and came from "TRaction" # 121, 3/4 
1995. Translated back to English in a little part by me it is : 



"The choice of wet-liners for the Vanguard engine was well done, and it was 
even 
 used in the Ferguson-tractor ?"

 Harry Webster:

"Yes. Many people assume wrong the Ferguson tractor-engine came bevor the    
 TR-engine. Thatīs not true. The engine of the car came first...... . We owe 
the 
 TR  2 engine to the Vanguard-limousine. First it should  become a 1600  ccm 
 engine.  But then the car became bigger and needed a 2 litre engine. It was  
 developed  by Ted Graham, but of course it was a copy of the  Citroen  
 engine..........."

I was surprised as I read this the first time (Someone with a TRactor on the 
list?).

Gerhard

CC  31998 LO



John McEwen schrieb:
> Hi Gerhard:
>
> I have always believed that I owned the ancestor of the TR4 engine.  I have
> recently restored a 1950 Standard Vanguard.  This engine - a 2088cc,
> wet-liner, OHV four - was developed in 1947 by Standard Cars, the parent
> company of Triumph.  It was subsequently used in the Triumph 1800/2000
> drophead coupe, the Triumph Renown and the TR2, TR3 and TR4.  Modified into
> a six cylinder in 1961 for use in the last Vanguards, the engine was
> subsequently employed in the Vitesse 2000, Triumph 2000 and the TR6.
>
> Was the original four cylinder based on a Citroen design?  I know that
> Citroen introduced an OHV four with wet-liners in the early 30s but this
> was not an original idea.  It is possible that Standard may have examined
> this engine for ideas but by 1947 it seems less likely.  The Standard
> engine was revolutionary for Britain in that the bore/stroke relationship
> was nearly square, unlike the usual tax-evading narrow bore engines which
> were previously popular.
>
> I would like to hear more on this topic, which should be of interest to all
> TR owners - except those of us who are blessed/cursed with TR7s.
>
> John McEwen
>
>
>
>
> >What is a true LBC....? Were there really many "one-country cars" in the
> >last 40
> >years?
> >
> >Examples:
> >
> >The TR 4 was designed by an Italian and itīs engine is the copy of a Citroen
> >engine.
> >




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