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I had a similar experience. I contacted eBay that a seller was not =
responding to me and would not refund my money. They asked me to try to =
work with the seller to get hime to ship my item. He did not, and when =
I went back to eBay they told me that too much time had elapsed and they =
could now not help me. Another time I won a set of NOS set of dash pulls =
for my TR6. I won the auction for very short money, and then the seller =
=E2=80=9Ccouldn=E2=80=99t find" the items to ship. There is a dark side =
to eBay and one must be careful, but I=E2=80=99ve had some very positive =
experiences as well. When I got one item in not the condition =
represented in the auction the seller sent me an almost new item =
replacement and $25.00 cash for my trouble.
Over time eBay has improved its policies, but the grifters manage to =
often stay one step ahead.
Best,
Bob
'72 TR6
> On Oct 20, 2018, at 9:12 AM, TERRY SMITH <terryrs@comcast.net> wrote:
>=20
> You're doing the right thing, Andrew. Except publicize his name and =
where he is. E-Bay may control official feedback, but word-of-mouth has =
ever been a civilian's defensive tool.
>=20
>=20
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> Terry
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>> On October 19, 2018 at 6:03 PM Andrew Uprichard =
<auprichard@uprichard.net> wrote:=20
>>=20
>> Before I start the story, let me take full responsibility for my own =
stupidity. I screwed up. But the follow-up is where I think others =
need to be careful.=20
>>=20
>> =20
>> Having bought a TR3 with a body which was beyond salvage, I have been =
looking for, and was prepared to pay good money for, a decent tub. I =
recently saw one on eBay which was advertised as being =E2=80=9Cin good =
condition=E2=80=9D. It was fairly expensive, so I emailed the seller =
twice and asked specifically about the extent of the rust: he replied =
by assuring me the car was =E2=80=9Cin great condition=E2=80=9D with =
=E2=80=9Cminimal rust=E2=80=9D. I asked for additional pics, but he =
said it was difficult as the car was at a different location.=20
>>=20
>> =20
>> After I bid and won, the seller emailed me to say I had to pick the =
car up within 24 hours as he had a family commitment and would be gone =
for a week. The car was several hours away and I explained I couldn=E2=80=
=99t make it. He said OK, but he wanted the money immediately. I =
called PayPal and they said I would lose any protection if I paid before =
seeing the car. So I called eBay and they reassured me I was covered =
100% by the eBay vehicle protection plan (VPP). So I paid. My mistake.=20=
>>=20
>> =20
>> A week later I drove out and found a car with rust holes big enough =
to put my hand through and a passenger side with so much collision =
damage I doubt it could ever be restored. Oh, and the frame was bent. =
I told him I wasn=E2=80=99t going to take the car, he had misrepresented =
it, and I wanted my money back. He told me tough, you paid already, =
it=E2=80=99s yours.=20
>>=20
>> =20
>> I came home and called eBay only to be told the VPP only applies to =
cars less than 10 years old and that I had no recourse other than to sue =
the seller. After several sleepless nights I decided I could do without =
the stress of litigation and so I drove back out to collect the car. =
When I got there the seller told me he had sold it to someone else. =
Great, I said, give me my money. Nah, he said, you take it and I=E2=80=99=
ll deal with the other guy. The seller had brought a few buddies over, =
and so I simply loaded the car up and drove home.=20
>>=20
>> =20
>> Bottom line =E2=80=93 I salvaged one replacement panel and 2 fenders, =
one of which is fiberglass. The car is being collected this week for a =
trip to the scrapyard.=20
>>=20
>> =20
>> It was my fault and I accept responsibility for it. Thankfully, my =
lovely wife has not given me grief and as a Christian I forgive the guy. =
But I did leave negative feedback on eBay. The EXACT words were =
=E2=80=9CTotal misrepresentation of the car. Buyers beware=E2=80=9D. =
It never posted. I called eBay today and was told the seller had =
appealed my feedback as it was =E2=80=9Cpejorative and threatened the =
future success of his business=E2=80=9D. As a result eBay had the right =
to remove it =E2=80=93 and they did. And they will not let me leave any =
negative feedback.=20
>>=20
>> =20
>> I still love the Triumph community, but I am a little more cynical =
about mankind (which is a shame) and I am disgusted with eBay. I guess =
I am venting, but if anyone has a good TR3 tub=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=20=
>>=20
>> =20
>> Andrew Uprichard=20
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>> Jackson, Michigan=20
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">I =
had a similar experience. I contacted eBay that a seller was not =
responding to me and would not refund my money. They asked me to =
try to work with the seller to get hime to ship my item. He did =
not, and when I went back to eBay they told me that too much time had =
elapsed and they could now not help me. Another time I won a set of NOS =
set of dash pulls for my TR6. I won the auction for very short =
money, and then the seller =E2=80=9Ccouldn=E2=80=99t find" the items to =
ship. There is a dark side to eBay and one must be careful, but =
I=E2=80=99ve had some very positive experiences as well. When I got one =
item in not the condition represented in the auction the seller sent me =
an almost new item replacement and $25.00 cash for my trouble.<div =
class=3D"">Over time eBay has improved its policies, but the grifters =
manage to often stay one step ahead.</div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>Best,</div><div class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> =
</span>Bob</div><div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>'72 TR6<br class=3D""><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Oct =
20, 2018, at 9:12 AM, TERRY SMITH <<a =
href=3D"mailto:terryrs@comcast.net"; class=3D"">terryrs@comcast.net</a>>=
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><p =
style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: =
auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" =
class=3D"">You're doing the right thing, Andrew. Except publicize =
his name and where he is. E-Bay may control official feedback, but =
word-of-mouth has ever been a civilian's defensive tool.<br =
class=3D""></p><p style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
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font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></p><p style=3D"font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class=3D"">Terry<br =
class=3D""></p><blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D"">On =
October 19, 2018 at 6:03 PM Andrew Uprichard <<a =
href=3D"mailto:auprichard@uprichard.net"; =
class=3D"">auprichard@uprichard.net</a>> wrote:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D"ox-1225cbecef-WordSection1"><p =
class=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: =
"Times New Roman", serif;" class=3D"">Before I start the =
story, let me take full responsibility for my own stupidity. I =
screwed up. But the follow-up is where I think others need to be =
careful.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p><div=
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif;" class=3D""> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p =
class=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: =
"Times New Roman", serif;" class=3D"">Having bought a TR3 with =
a body which was beyond salvage, I have been looking for, and was =
prepared to pay good money for, a decent tub. I recently saw one =
on eBay which was advertised as being =E2=80=9Cin good =
condition=E2=80=9D. It was fairly expensive, so I emailed the =
seller<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><u =
class=3D"">twice</u><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>and=
asked specifically about the extent of the rust: he replied by =
assuring me the car was =E2=80=9Cin great condition=E2=80=9D with =
=E2=80=9Cminimal rust=E2=80=9D. I asked for additional pics, but =
he said it was difficult as the car was at a different location.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p><div =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif;" class=3D""> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p =
class=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: =
"Times New Roman", serif;" class=3D"">After I bid and won, the =
seller emailed me to say I had to pick the car up within 24 hours as he =
had a family commitment and would be gone for a week. The car was =
several hours away and I explained I couldn=E2=80=99t make it. He =
said OK, but he wanted the money immediately. I called PayPal and =
they said I would lose any protection if I paid before seeing the =
car. So I called eBay and they reassured me I was covered 100% by =
the eBay vehicle protection plan (VPP). So I paid. My =
mistake.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p><div=
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif;" class=3D""> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p =
class=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: =
"Times New Roman", serif;" class=3D"">A week later I drove out =
and found a car with rust holes big enough to put my hand through and a =
passenger side with so much collision damage I doubt it could ever =
be restored. Oh, and the frame was bent. I told him I =
wasn=E2=80=99t going to take the car, he had misrepresented it, and I =
wanted my money back. He told me tough, you paid already, it=E2=80=99=
s yours.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p><div=
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif;" class=3D""> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p =
class=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: =
"Times New Roman", serif;" class=3D"">I came home and called =
eBay only to be told the VPP only applies to cars less than 10 years old =
and that I had no recourse other than to sue the seller. After =
several sleepless nights I decided I could do without the stress of =
litigation and so I drove back out to collect the car. When I got =
there the seller told me he had sold it to someone else. Great, I =
said, give me my money. Nah, he said, you take it and I=E2=80=99ll =
deal with the other guy. The seller had brought a few buddies =
over, and so I simply loaded the car up and drove home.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p><div =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif;" class=3D""> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p =
class=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: =
"Times New Roman", serif;" class=3D"">Bottom line =E2=80=93 I =
salvaged one replacement panel and 2 fenders, one of which is =
fiberglass. The car is being collected this week for a trip to the =
scrapyard.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p><div =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif;" class=3D""> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p =
class=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: =
"Times New Roman", serif;" class=3D"">It was my fault and I =
accept responsibility for it. Thankfully, my lovely wife has not =
given me grief and as a Christian I forgive the guy. But I did =
leave negative feedback on eBay. The EXACT words were =E2=80=9CTotal=
misrepresentation of the car. Buyers beware=E2=80=9D. It =
never posted. I called eBay today and was told the seller had =
appealed my feedback as it was =E2=80=9Cpejorative and threatened the =
future success of his business=E2=80=9D. As a result eBay had the =
right to remove it =E2=80=93 and they did. And they will not let =
me leave any negative feedback.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p><div =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif;" class=3D""> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p =
class=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: =
"Times New Roman", serif;" class=3D"">I still love the Triumph =
community, but I am a little more cynical about mankind (which is a =
shame) and I am disgusted with eBay. I guess I am venting, but if =
anyone has a good TR3 tub=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p><div =
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