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Re: [TR] TR3 Timing question

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Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Timing question
From: Chris Simo <ccsimonsen@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 20:41:57 -0500
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tdc on the pulley should be 180 out from the crank woodruff key. I have
managed to put the pulley on wrong at least once and also stabbed the dizzy
a tooth or more off only to forget and wonder why i couldn't static time
much later.....

Sent from my TRASH-80

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 8:16 PM TERRY SMITH <terryrs@comcast.net> wrote:

> lessee if i remember right.  the pully mounts to a flange via 6 bolts.
> the flange itself is keyed and mounts to the crankshaft, meaning you can
> only mount the flange one way using the key, but can bugger the placement
> of the little timing hole on the back half of the pully some six differen=
t
> ways.  ...or is it 5....
>
> messing up placement of the timing mark on the back half of the pully is
> very easy to do.  ask me know.  better yet, don't remind me....
>
> terry smith
> new hampshire
>
>
> > On February 28, 2019 at 11:30 AM jpaynepbr@cox.net wrote:
> >
> >
> > It's more likely that the distributor drive gear is off by a tooth or
> two than the pulley being put on wrong.
> >
> > There is only 1 way to get the pulley on and no opportunity to mess it
> up.  The drive gear has a 10 or more teeth on it, and therefore 10 or mor=
e
> opportunities to get it wrong.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of
> Wbeech@flash.net
> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 6:39 AM
> > To: Randall <TR3driver@ca.rr.com>
> > Cc: Triumphs@autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Timing question
> >
> > Thanks Randall,
> > 40=C2=B0 was just a guess, the mark is about at the 2:00 position.  I a=
m
> using the hole in the pulley as the TDC mark, there is also a file mark
> there.
> >
> > I turned the dizzy clockwise until it started to stumble, then brought
> it back to the best smooth RPM position.   First road test was great,
> compression at 175 across 4.  Can I leave it there?  If not, what should =
I
> be looking for?
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X
> >
> > On Feb 28, 2019, at 1:40 AM, Randall <TR3driver@ca.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > Sounds to me like your TDC marks are wrong.
> >
> > If the issue is the front pulley being assembled wrong, it would be off
> by
> > 60 degrees, and so you're still about 20 degrees fast.  That is likely
> to be an issue.
> >
> > 40 late isn't going to work well either.
> >
> > > Had set the dizzy to open with the marks at TDC, not happening.  So I
> > > advanced it a whole bunch till the car would start.  Put a light on i=
t
> > > and, by the marks, it looks like 40=C2=B0 retarded at a nice smooth i=
dle
> > > and the dizzy is in a very
> > > normal position.   How does that happen?   Is the only fix to
> > > pull the front of the engine and relocate the hub?
> > >
> > > Will it hurt anything to drive it as is?
> >
> >
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<div dir=3D"auto">tdc on the pulley should be 180 out from the crank woodru=
ff key. I have managed to put the pulley on wrong at least once and also st=
abbed the dizzy a tooth or more off only to forget and wonder why i couldn&=
#39;t static time much later.....<br><br><div data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signa=
ture">Sent from my TRASH-80</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 8:16 PM TERRY SMITH =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:terryrs@comcast.net";>terryrs@comcast.net</a>&gt; wrot=
e:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">lessee if i remember right.=C2=
=A0 the pully mounts to a flange via 6 bolts.=C2=A0 the flange itself is ke=
yed and mounts to the crankshaft, meaning you can only mount the flange one=
 way using the key, but can bugger the placement of the little timing hole =
on the back half of the pully some six different ways.=C2=A0 ...or is it 5.=
...<br>
<br>
messing up placement of the timing mark on the back half of the pully is ve=
ry easy to do.=C2=A0 ask me know.=C2=A0 better yet, don&#39;t remind me....=
<br>
<br>
terry smith<br>
new hampshire<br>
<br>
<br>
&gt; On February 28, 2019 at 11:30 AM <a href=3D"mailto:jpaynepbr@cox.net"; =
target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">jpaynepbr@cox.net</a> wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; It&#39;s more likely that the distributor drive gear is off by a tooth=
 or two than the pulley being put on wrong.=C2=A0 <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; There is only 1 way to get the pulley on and no opportunity to mess it=
 up.=C2=A0 The drive gear has a 10 or more teeth on it, and therefore 10 or=
 more opportunities to get it wrong.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; From: Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt=
; On Behalf Of <a href=3D"mailto:Wbeech@flash.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D=
"noreferrer">Wbeech@flash.net</a><br>
&gt; Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 6:39 AM<br>
&gt; To: Randall &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:TR3driver@ca.rr.com"; target=3D"_blan=
k" rel=3D"noreferrer">TR3driver@ca.rr.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:Triumphs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">Triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Timing question<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Thanks Randall,<br>
&gt; 40=C2=B0 was just a guess, the mark is about at the 2:00 position.=C2=
=A0 I am using the hole in the pulley as the TDC mark, there is also a file=
 mark there.=C2=A0 <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I turned the dizzy clockwise until it started to stumble, then brought=
 it back to the best smooth RPM position.=C2=A0 =C2=A0First road test was g=
reat, compression at 175 across 4.=C2=A0 Can I leave it there?=C2=A0 If not=
, what should I be looking for?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Bill<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; On Feb 28, 2019, at 1:40 AM, Randall &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:TR3driver@c=
a.rr.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">TR3driver@ca.rr.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Sounds to me like your TDC marks are wrong.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; If the issue is the front pulley being assembled wrong, it would be of=
f by<br>
&gt; 60 degrees, and so you&#39;re still about 20 degrees fast.=C2=A0 That =
is likely to be an issue.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; 40 late isn&#39;t going to work well either.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Had set the dizzy to open with the marks at TDC, not happening.=
=C2=A0 So I <br>
&gt; &gt; advanced it a whole bunch till the car would start.=C2=A0 Put a l=
ight on it <br>
&gt; &gt; and, by the marks, it looks like 40=C2=B0 retarded at a nice smoo=
th idle <br>
&gt; &gt; and the dizzy is in a very<br>
&gt; &gt; normal position.=C2=A0 =C2=A0How does that happen?=C2=A0 =C2=A0Is=
 the only fix to <br>
&gt; &gt; pull the front of the engine and relocate the hub?<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Will it hurt anything to drive it as is?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
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