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Re: [TR] [EXTERNAL] Re: Brake fluids again

To: "Reihing, Randall S." <Randall.Reihing@utoledo.edu>, Randall <TR3driver@ca.rr.com>, Sujit Roy <triumphstag@gmail.com>, Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] [EXTERNAL] Re: Brake fluids again
From: JOE CURRY <spitlist@cox.net>
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 07:48:38 -0600 (MDT)
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I converted to DOT5 in both my Spits.  I just purged the system both times and 
the only thing I had to rebuild is one caliper which began to seep a little.  
It has been 19 years on one car and a year on the second.


Joe

> On April 16, 2020 at 6:33 AM "Reihing, Randall S." 
> <Randall.Reihing@utoledo.edu> wrote:
> 
>     Hello All,
> 
>     Thank you Randall for this valuable and important clarification. 
> 
>     I am in the process of replacing just the rotors, calipers and two of the 
> flexible brake lines to teh calipers. Can I drain out the existing DOT 4 and 
> switch to DOT 5? 
> 
>     Or do I need to completely flush the entire system and replace all the 
> wheel cylinder, master cylinder, and clutch master and slave cylinder seals 
> when converting from DOT 4 to DOT 5?  
> 
>     Randall Reihing
>     1959 TR3A
> 
>      
> 
>     ---------------------------------------------
>     From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Randall 
> <TR3driver@ca.rr.com>
>     Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 1:55 AM
>     To: 'Sujit Roy' <triumphstag@gmail.com>; 'Triumphs' 
> <triumphs@autox.team.net>
>     Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [TR] Brake fluids again
>      
>     All brake fluid is "synthetic" whether it says so on the can or not.  It's
>     not made from petroleum distillate.
> 
>     Yes, DOT 4 will absorb water, eat paint and so on.  Castrol claims theirs
>     absorbs slower than others (the "LMA"), but it still absorbs.
> 
>     DOT 5 is a completely different chemistry, a silicone oil rather than the
>     glycols used in DOT 3, 4 and 5.1.  It does not absorb water, eat paint,
>     become corrosive over time, etc. 
> 
>     Look for the word "silicone" on the label.  DOT 5 must have it, the others
>     cannot have it.
> 
>     The word "synthetic" is totally meaningless for brake fluid.
> 
>     FWIW, both of my Stags have DOT 5 in them.
> 
>     -- Randall
> 
>     > I'm rebuild brakes and clutch with new seal on a Stag. I have
>     >  this brake fluid
>     >
>     > 
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bpnorthwest.com/fluid-brake-clutch-castrol-lma-12-__;!!LoBwcKfm!xQYsagVOFhpKFqJG0WkgFruEWat-p_lygSpuLlqbZWK-6UD6t-0Z-ZXm3e-xQY8OfVfao68$
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>     > oz.html 
>     >
>     > which says DOT 4 synthetic  (Castrol) . If it is synthetic,
>     > will it absorb water?
>     >
>     > I'm a bit confused as people are saying get DOT5. synthetic.
>     > Is the buzz word synthetic?
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</head><body><p>I converted to DOT5 in both my Spits.&#160; I just purged t=
he system both times and the only thing I had to rebuild is one caliper whi=
ch began to seep a little.&#160; It has been 19 years on one car and a year=
 on the second.</p><p><br></p><p>Joe</p><blockquote type=3D"cite">On April =
16, 2020 at 6:33 AM &#34;Reihing, Randall S.&#34; &#60;Randall.Reihing@utol=
edo.edu&#62; wrote: <br> <br><div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Hel=
vetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000;">Hello All,</div><div =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12p=
t; color: #000000;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, He=
lvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000;">Thank you Randall fo=
r this valuable and important clarification.&#160;</div><div style=3D"font-=
family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000=
000;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-=
serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000;">I am in the process of replacing j=
ust the rotors, calipers and two of the flexible brake lines to teh caliper=
s. Can I drain out the existing DOT 4 and switch to DOT 5?&#160;</div><div =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12p=
t; color: #000000;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, He=
lvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000;">Or do I need to comp=
letely flush the entire system and replace all the wheel cylinder, master c=
ylinder, and clutch master and slave cylinder seals when converting from DO=
T 4 to DOT 5? &#160;</div><div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvet=
ica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000;"><br></div><div style=3D"=
font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color:=
 #000000;">Randall Reihing</div><div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, =
Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000;">1959 TR3A</div><di=
v style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1=
2pt; color: #000000;"><br></div>&#160;<br><hr style=3D"display: inline-bloc=
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><strong>From:</strong> Triumphs &#60;triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net&#62; =
on behalf of Randall &#60;TR3driver@ca.rr.com&#62;<br> <strong>Sent:</stron=
g> Thursday, April 16, 2020 1:55 AM<br> <strong>To:</strong> &#39;Sujit Roy=
&#39; &#60;triumphstag@gmail.com&#62;; &#39;Triumphs&#39; &#60;triumphs@aut=
ox.team.net&#62;<br> <strong>Subject:</strong> [EXTERNAL] Re: [TR] Brake fl=
uids again</span><div>&#160;</div></div><div class=3D"ox-2257860b98-BodyFra=
gment"><div class=3D"ox-2257860b98-PlainText">All brake fluid is &#34;synth=
etic&#34; whether it says so on the can or not.&#160; It&#39;s <br> not mad=
e from petroleum distillate. <br> <br> Yes, DOT 4 will absorb water, eat pa=
int and so on.&#160; Castrol claims theirs <br> absorbs slower than others =
(the &#34;LMA&#34;), but it still absorbs. <br> <br> DOT 5 is a completely =
different chemistry, a silicone oil rather than the <br> glycols used in DO=
T 3, 4 and 5.1.&#160; It does not absorb water, eat paint, <br> become corr=
osive over time, etc.&#160; <br> <br> Look for the word &#34;silicone&#34; =
on the label.&#160; DOT 5 must have it, the others <br> cannot have it. <br=
> <br> The word &#34;synthetic&#34; is totally meaningless for brake fluid.=
 <br> <br> FWIW, both of my Stags have DOT 5 in them. <br> <br> -- Randall =
<br> <br> &#62; I&#39;m rebuild brakes and clutch with new seal on a Stag. =
I have <br> &#62;&#160; this brake fluid <br> &#62; <br> &#62; <a href=3D"h=
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