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Re: [TR] Fwd: sandblasting

To: "'Rye Livingston'" <ryel@mac.com>, "'triumphs'" <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: sandblasting
From: "Alex & Janet Thomson" <aljlthomson@charter.net>
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 17:55:03 -0400
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I know that there are many TR list messages that don=E2=80=99t get into =
my mailbox, either. I usually receive the automated message about =
=E2=80=9Cmany bounced messages=E2=80=9D  once every two weeks or more =
often. I think it is at the Charter.net level rather than at the Outlook =
level. I enjoyed seeing the sandblasting discussion.

=20

Alex Thomson

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From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rye =
Livingston
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 4:53 PM
To: triumphs
Subject: [TR] Fwd: sandblasting

=20

I sent this at 8:38 am, but it never came back around to me, so I don't =
know if it went out to the list or not.  Sorry if it did.  This is the =
media my nephew used on my trailer.

=20

Rye


Begin forwarded message:

From: Rye Livingston <ryel@mac.com>
Date: 4/24/2020
To: dave <dave@ranteer.com>
Cc: 'Triumphs' <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] sandblasting

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OK, it's - COAL SLAG BLAST MEDIA

https://www.agsco.com/coal-slag/

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On April 24, 2020 at 8:04 AM, dave <dave@ranteer.com> wrote:

That black media he used was likely ground up lava.  I have used that =
and its not as aggressive as sand.=20

=20

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Rye =
Livingston
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 9:25 AM
To: DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye@comcast.net>
Cc: Triumphs (triumphs@autox.team.net) <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] sandblasting

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My nephew started his own company of mobile power cleaning.  He bought =
this serious diesel powered professional duel axle trailer rig in Texas, =
and he could power clean with all kinds of media depending on the =
application, and he also had hot water blasting.  He did all kinds of =
jobs, from vintage cars, boats for the Coast Guard, to BART stations in =
San Francisco for both graffiti to human waste.  And if that wasn't =
gross enough, he said one of the worst was a Chinese restaurant that got =
sited and fined every day for grease oozing out of the cinder black and =
concrete enclosure for their dumpster.  One of his easiest jobs was my =
8' long utility trailer.

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In all those situations, a mobile service like his, they will capture =
and clean up the media and waste, big vacuum system. For that Chinese =
restaurant he put out dams to channel the water and goo and were =
vacuuming up all that grease and hot water, very gross. =20

=20

At my house he used an inert material, but it was not sand.  It was some =
sort of black material that looked like shards of coal.  I've texted him =
to find out what it was.

=20

As was mentioned, for the cars he blasted, he had a couple of "learning" =
cars that were not vintage.  The trick was to learn not to let the hood, =
or any long body panel, get hot and warp.  So check for references to =
make sure who you hire has that experience.  After he learned he did =
several cars including BMWs and vintage 911s and 356 Porsches.

=20

When he did this work, he had a full helmet respirator setup, coveralls, =
gloves and boots.  No media got where he didn't want it, but he was a =
hot sweaty mess when he took that helmet off.

=20

I live in a cul-de-sac and he did the blasting down there, and there was =
just a little bit of media that was under the trailer that didn't get =
cleaned up, so again, a mobile service has a process to not leave all =
that behind.

=20

He also had a "rust inhibitor" he sprayed on the bare metal so it didn't =
get a quick flash rust overnight.  Google that for details. I was able =
to paint over that no problem.  I bought a gallon of black Rust-Oleum =
paint and repainted it myself and it's like a new trailer.

=20

Good luck,

=20

Rye
PH: 530-FIND-RYE


On April 23, 2020 at 9:04 PM, DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye@comcast.net> wrote:

Back in '08-'09, I had my TR3 body tub and frame blasted at a local =
powder coating company.  $300 each.  They blasted every square inch with =
crushed garnet.  The tub was stripped of every bolt-on part.  In two =
different visits, I set up both items on my makeshift engine stand =
rotisserie, with custom attachments, to make it a lot easier for them =
and the best outcome.  Worth every penny and more.

Skip this part if you can and have a company do this work.  You might =
even consider a mobile unit come to you.  Different media can be used =
depending on paint or rust.  Special care has to be taken on body parts, =
not to warp them, but if the person has a little finesse, any harm can =
be avoided.

The important part of good blasting is high CFM from the compressor.  If =
you don't have enough CFM, you'll be working way too hard for way too =
long.=20

Dave H.

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On April 23, 2020 at 8:25 PM Greg Lemon <grglmn@gmail.com> wrote:

I stripped a TR4 years ago over the course of I don't remember how many =
evenings after work, using several gallons of paint stripper bought at =
closeout tool store, saying never again and wishing I had a sandblaster. =
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Be careful what you wish for I guess.

=20

Greg Lemon

TR250

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On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 9:08 PM Jeff Scarbrough < fishplate@gmail.com> =
wrote:

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On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 8:53 PM Michael Porter < mdporter@dfn.com> =
wrote:

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Which reminds me of J.E. Gordon's (The New Science of Strong Materials) =
remark about production welding:  "Welding is like Hell--fun for the =
first three or four hours."

=20

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There was a time when I couldn't wait to learn how to run the cotton =
picker at work.  It got old kind of quick...But it still beat a day in =
the office in front of the computer.

=20

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I know that =
there are many TR list messages that don=E2=80=99t get into my mailbox, =
either. I usually receive the automated message about =E2=80=9Cmany =
bounced messages=E2=80=9D =C2=A0once every two weeks or more often. I =
think it is at the Charter.net level rather than at the Outlook level. I =
enjoyed seeing the sandblasting discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Alex =
Thomson<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Rye Livingston<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 24, 2020 4:53 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> triumphs<br><b>Subject:</b> [TR] Fwd: =
sandblasting<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I sent =
this at 8:38 am, but it never came back around to me, so I don't know if =
it went out to the list or not. &nbsp;Sorry if it did. &nbsp;This is the =
media my nephew used on my trailer.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Rye<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>Begin forwarded =
message:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style=3D'color:black'>From: =
</span></b>Rye Livingston &lt;ryel@mac.com&gt;<br><b><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Date: </span></b>4/24/2020<br><b><span =
style=3D'color:black'>To: </span></b>dave =
&lt;dave@ranteer.com&gt;<br><b><span style=3D'color:black'>Cc: =
</span></b>'Triumphs' &lt;triumphs@autox.team.net&gt;<br><b><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Subject: </span>Re: [TR] =
sandblasting</b><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>OK, it's -&nbsp;COAL SLAG BLAST =
MEDIA<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"https://www.agsco.com/coal-slag/";>https://www.agsco.com/coal-slag=
/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On April 24, 2020 at 8:04 AM, dave =
&lt;dave@ranteer.com&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>That black =
media he used was likely ground up lava.&nbsp; I have used that and its =
not as aggressive as sand.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b>=
 Triumphs &lt;triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net&gt; <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Rye Livingston<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 24, 2020 9:25 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> DAVE HOGYE &lt;dlhogye@comcast.net&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
Triumphs (triumphs@autox.team.net) =
&lt;triumphs@autox.team.net&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] =
sandblasting<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>My nephew =
started his own company of mobile power cleaning. &nbsp;He bought this =
serious diesel powered professional duel axle trailer rig in Texas, and =
he could power clean with all kinds of media depending on the =
application, and he also had hot water blasting. &nbsp;He did all kinds =
of jobs, from vintage cars, boats for the Coast Guard, to BART stations =
in San Francisco for both graffiti to human waste. &nbsp;And if that =
wasn't gross enough, he said one of the worst was a Chinese restaurant =
that got sited and fined every day for grease oozing out of the cinder =
black and concrete enclosure for their dumpster. &nbsp;One of his =
easiest jobs was my 8' long utility trailer.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>In all =
those situations, a mobile service&nbsp;like his, they will&nbsp;capture =
and clean up the&nbsp;media and waste, big vacuum system. For that =
Chinese restaurant he put out dams to channel the water and goo =
and&nbsp;were vacuuming up all that grease and hot water, very gross. =
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>At my house =
he used an inert material, but it was not sand. &nbsp;It was some sort =
of black material that looked like shards of coal. &nbsp;I've texted him =
to find out what it was.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>As =
was&nbsp;mentioned, for the cars he blasted, he had a couple of =
&quot;learning&quot; cars that were not vintage. &nbsp;The trick was =
to&nbsp;learn not to let the hood, or any long body panel, get&nbsp;hot =
and warp. &nbsp;So check for references to make sure who you hire has =
that experience. &nbsp;After he learned he did several cars including =
BMWs and vintage 911s and 356 Porsches.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>When he did =
this work, he had a full helmet respirator setup, coveralls, gloves and =
boots. &nbsp;No media got where he didn't want it, but he was a hot =
sweaty mess when he took that helmet off.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I live in a =
cul-de-sac and he did the blasting down there, and there was just a =
little bit of media that was under the trailer that didn't get cleaned =
up, so again, a mobile service has a process to not leave all that =
behind.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>He also had =
a &quot;rust inhibitor&quot; he sprayed on the bare metal so it didn't =
get a quick flash rust overnight. &nbsp;Google that for details. I was =
able to paint over that no problem. &nbsp;I bought a gallon of black =
Rust-Oleum paint and repainted it myself and it's like a new =
trailer.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Good =
luck,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Rye<br>PH: =
530-FIND-RYE<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On April 23, =
2020 at 9:04 PM, DAVE HOGYE &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:dlhogye@comcast.net";>dlhogye@comcast.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Back in =
'08-'09, I had my TR3 body tub and frame blasted at a local powder =
coating company.&nbsp; $300 each.&nbsp; They blasted every square inch =
with crushed garnet.&nbsp; The tub was stripped of every bolt-on =
part.&nbsp; In two different visits, I set up both items on my makeshift =
engine stand rotisserie, with custom attachments, to make it a lot =
easier for them and the best outcome.&nbsp; Worth every penny and =
more.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Skip this =
part if you can and have a company do this work.&nbsp; You might even =
consider a mobile unit come to you.&nbsp; Different media can be used =
depending on paint or rust.&nbsp; Special care has to be taken on body =
parts, not to warp them, but if the person has a little finesse, any =
harm can be avoided.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>The =
important part of good blasting is high CFM from the compressor.&nbsp; =
If you don't have enough CFM, you'll be working way too hard for way too =
long.&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Dave =
H.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>&nbsp;</span=
><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On April 23, 2020 =
at 8:25 PM Greg Lemon &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:grglmn@gmail.com";>grglmn@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I stripped =
a TR4 years ago over the course of I don't remember how many evenings =
after work, using several gallons of paint stripper bought at closeout =
tool store, saying never again and wishing I had a =
sandblaster.&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Be careful =
what you wish for I guess.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Greg =
Lemon<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>TR250<o:p></=
o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Thu, Apr =
23, 2020, 9:08 PM Jeff Scarbrough &lt; <a =
href=3D"mailto:fishplate@gmail.com";>fishplate@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Thu, Apr =
23, 2020 at 8:53 PM Michael Porter &lt; <a =
href=3D"mailto:mdporter@dfn.com";>mdporter@dfn.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><p>Which reminds me of J.E. Gordon's (<em><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The New Science of Strong =
Materials</span></em>) remark about production welding:&nbsp; =
&quot;Welding is like Hell--fun for the first three or four =
hours.&quot;<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>There was a =
time when I couldn't wait to learn how to run the cotton picker at =
work.&nbsp; It got old kind of quick...But it still beat a day in the =
office in front of the computer.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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