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I can read a "ZA-something" and "CKD" in white over an orange-red "3".
Possibly an engine destined for a South African knocked down kit using some
variation on the acronyms?
On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 12:29=E2=80=AFPM bill beecher <notakitcar@yahoo.com=
> wrote:
> Yep, that=E2=80=99s what mine looked like. I wonder what the white lette=
ring on
> the unit behind it is about?
>
> Bill B
> TS30800L
>
>
> =E2=80=9CShoot low sheriff, she=E2=80=99s riding a shetland=E2=80=9D =E2=
=80=A6B.Wills
>
> On Jun 18, 2023, at 12:12 PM, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
> Orange-red handpainted marshalling marks on a TR3 engine on the Coventry
> production line in 1958.
> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-b5KrzK2/0/86ac2744/O/i-b5KrzK2.jpg
>
> On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 10:21=E2=80=AFPM DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye@comcast.net>=
wrote:
>
>> I believe all TR blocks came from the same foundry, with the cast-in
>> embossed Bilchrome. I also believe that all engines had "TR" plus a numb=
er
>> brush painted on the side, to easily pull the correct engine after it's
>> assembly and install it in the correct car. Morgan engines were also be=
ing
>> assembled on the same assembly line, as far as I know. Maybe they had a=
n
>> "M" painted on the side, but I don't have direct knowledge of this. All
>> TR3-4 engines that I have seen with the original black engine paint, hav=
e
>> the TR plus a number, brush painted on the manifold side. Kind of neat
>> stuff to find all these years later. I guess that for a correct concours=
e
>> restoration, the block paint marks should be replicated.
>> Dave H.
>> > On 06/16/2023 6:13 PM PDT dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Here are some closeups showing first the TR painted letters, then the
>> engine "part number." These both must be reconditioned/warranty? Would
>> not a normal factory engine say Stanpart?
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of John
>> Macartney
>> > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2023 5:46 PM
>> > To: triumphs@autox.team.net
>> > Subject: [TR] Engine colours
>> >
>> > It must be more than twenty years back when this topic on reconditione=
d
>> engines was aired and I remember contributing to it.
>> > One of the major issues in unit reconditioning is getting the old unit=
s
>> (aka in the U.K. as corps or cores) and it would be tedious and cost
>> prohibitive in the extreme to ship worn engines, gearboxes and other
>> electrical items across the Atlantic or more oceans if you include
>> Australia and the Far East. All unit recon work on engines and gearboxes
>> for the U.K. and Europe was undertaken by a Standard-Triumph subsidiary
>> called Beans Industries. In my day, a Beans rebuilt engine was painted a=
n
>> unattractive shade of blue and the engine number was ground off and
>> replaced by a totally different number stamped in place.
>> > George Durand who was the company=E2=80=99s Parts Director was very pr=
oud of
>> the unit recon and service exchange programmes he had established in a
>> number of major markets and there was definitely one for the US and anot=
her
>> for Canada. Basically, Standard-Triumph North America in Leonia, NJ
>> together with their opposite numbers in Toronto, contracted two local
>> companies to do their recon work as genuine factory replacements using
>> parts supplied by STNA and STC parts divisions. It can=E2=80=99t be rule=
d out that
>> some blue Beans recon units arrived stateside as part of regular parts
>> shipments from the factory but it makes economic sense for the import
>> company to set up this sort of arrangement on a local basis but what
>> colours that might have been used is anyone=E2=80=99s guess.
>> > It=E2=80=99s all rather like the Triumph branded radios sold as genuin=
e factory
>> approved units. The Acclaim was the first car to have a radio as standar=
d
>> fit but cars that went for export were usually radio-less and had a loca=
lly
>> supplied unit fitted before delivery.
>> > Lucas had a different arrangement and usually supplied a new unit in a
>> service exchange packaging identity at a slightly lower retail price.
>> >
>> > Jonmac
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">I c=
an read a "ZA-something" and "CKD" in white over an ora=
nge-red "3".=C2=A0 Possibly an engine destined for a South Africa=
n knocked down kit using some variation on the acronyms?</div></div><br><di=
v class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jun 1=
8, 2023 at 12:29=E2=80=AFPM bill beecher <<a href=3D"mailto:notakitcar@y=
ahoo.com">notakitcar@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(2=
04,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Yep, that=E2=80=99s what mi=
ne looked like.=C2=A0 I wonder what the white lettering on the unit behind =
it is about?<div><br></div><div>Bill B</div><div>TS30800L</div><div><br><br=
><div dir=3D"ltr">=E2=80=9CShoot low sheriff, she=E2=80=99s riding a shetla=
nd=E2=80=9D =E2=80=A6B.Wills</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jun 18, 2023, at =
12:12 PM, Don Hiscock <<a href=3D"mailto:don.hiscock@gmail.com"; target=
=3D"_blank">don.hiscock@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-si=
ze:small">Orange-red handpainted=C2=A0marshalling marks on a TR3 engine on =
the Coventry production=C2=A0line in 1958.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default=
" style=3D"font-size:small"><a href=3D"https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-=
b5KrzK2/0/86ac2744/O/i-b5KrzK2.jpg" target=3D"_blank">https://photos.smugmu=
g.com/photos/i-b5KrzK2/0/86ac2744/O/i-b5KrzK2.jpg</a><br></div></div><br><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun =
16, 2023 at 10:21=E2=80=AFPM DAVE HOGYE <<a href=3D"mailto:dlhogye@comca=
st.net" target=3D"_blank">dlhogye@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:=
1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I believe all TR blocks came f=
rom the same foundry, with the cast-in embossed Bilchrome. I also believe t=
hat all engines had "TR" plus a number brush painted on the side,=
to easily pull the correct engine after it's assembly and install it i=
n the correct car.=C2=A0 Morgan engines were also being assembled on the sa=
me assembly line, as far as I know.=C2=A0 Maybe they had an "M" p=
ainted on the side, but I don't have direct knowledge of this.=C2=A0 Al=
l TR3-4 engines that I have seen with the original black engine paint, have=
the TR plus a number, brush painted on the manifold side.=C2=A0 Kind of ne=
at stuff to find all these years later. I guess that for a correct concours=
e restoration, the block paint marks should be replicated.<br>
Dave H.=C2=A0 <br>
> On 06/16/2023 6:13 PM PDT dave northrup <<a href=3D"mailto:dave@ran=
teer.com" target=3D"_blank">dave@ranteer.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
>=C2=A0 <br>
> Here are some closeups showing first the TR painted letters, then the =
engine "part number."=C2=A0 These both must be reconditioned/warr=
anty?=C2=A0 Would not a normal factory engine say Stanpart?<br>
> <br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: Triumphs <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> On Behalf Of John=
Macartney<br>
> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2023 5:46 PM<br>
> To: <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">trium=
phs@autox.team.net</a><br>
> Subject: [TR] Engine colours<br>
> <br>
> It must be more than twenty years back when this topic on reconditione=
d engines was aired and I remember contributing to it.<br>
> One of the major issues in unit reconditioning is getting the old unit=
s (aka in the U.K. as corps or cores) and it would be tedious and cost proh=
ibitive in the extreme to ship worn engines, gearboxes and other electrical=
items across the Atlantic or more oceans if you include Australia and the =
Far East. All unit recon work on engines and gearboxes for the U.K. and Eur=
ope was undertaken by a Standard-Triumph subsidiary called Beans Industries=
. In my day, a Beans rebuilt engine was painted an unattractive shade of bl=
ue and the engine number was ground off and replaced by a totally different=
number stamped in place.<br>
> George Durand who was the company=E2=80=99s Parts Director was very pr=
oud of the unit recon and service exchange programmes he had established in=
a number of major markets and there was definitely one for the US and anot=
her for Canada. Basically, Standard-Triumph North America in Leonia, NJ tog=
ether with their opposite numbers in Toronto, contracted two local companie=
s to do their recon work as genuine factory replacements using parts suppli=
ed by STNA and STC parts divisions. It can=E2=80=99t be ruled out that some=
blue Beans recon units arrived stateside as part of regular parts shipment=
s from the factory but it makes economic sense for the import company to se=
t up this sort of arrangement on a local basis but what colours that might =
have been used is anyone=E2=80=99s guess.<br>
> It=E2=80=99s all rather like the Triumph branded radios sold as genuin=
e factory approved units. The Acclaim was the first car to have a radio as =
standard fit but cars that went for export were usually radio-less and had =
a locally supplied unit fitted before delivery.<br>
> Lucas had a different arrangement and usually supplied a new unit in a=
service exchange packaging identity at a slightly lower retail price.<br>
> <br>
> Jonmac<br>
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