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Re: [WPTA] 1500 Spitfire oil pump install

To: WPTA <wpta@autox.team.net>, Tim Prell <tjprell@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [WPTA] 1500 Spitfire oil pump install
From: Gary Fredo via Wpta <wpta@autox.team.net>
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2023 19:27:10 +0000 (UTC)
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 From looking at the repair manual and parts manual it looks like it should=
 slide right in.=C2=A0 It's been a long time since I've had an oil pump out=
 of a Spitfire engine.=C2=A0 Probably 30 years so mostly going by memory wh=
ich isn't too good.=C2=A0 Anyway, you mentioned below that "nothing was mov=
ed or loosened at the distributor".=C2=A0 Actually you spun the camshaft an=
d the distributor when you spun the crankshaft.=C2=A0 I think the oil pump =
shaft slot (at the bottom of the distributor) is slightly off center so you=
 may have to spin the oil pump shaft 180 degrees to get them to line up.=C2=
=A0 That's about all I can think of right now.
Hope that helps.
Gary=C2=A0
    On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 12:48:12 PM EDT, Tim Prell via Wpta <wpta@a=
utox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
 I started the process of replacing thrust washers in my 77 Spitfire this s=
pring and after encouragement from a Triumph Spitfire restoration and suppo=
rt forum, also tried replacing main bearings and rod bearings in place.(for=
 better or worse). In order to access the mid-crank rod bearing bolts, I re=
moved the oil pump (cover plate, inner rotor, outer rotor shaft assembly). =
Now that all the work is complete and the engine spins as expected, the oil=
 pump inner rotor and shaft will not slide fully back into place - it fits =
into its slot but stops at ~ 1 - 1.5" from fully inserted. I can see the sl=
ot at the end of the distributor assembly and a second opening in a plate f=
or the inner rotor and shaft to slip through which must be blocking the sha=
ft. The inner rotor shaft assembly spins easily. Any ideas on what can be d=
isplaced that won't allow the shaft to completely slide into place would be=
 helpful. Nothing was moved or loosened at the distributor - I only worked =
on the lower end to replace thrust washers and main plus rod bearings. Some=
 pics attached.
thanks for feedback (at least serious feedback :-).
Tim_______________________________________________
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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">From looking at the repair m=
anual and parts manual it looks like it should slide right in.&nbsp; It's b=
een a long time since I've had an oil pump out of a Spitfire engine.&nbsp; =
Probably 30 years so mostly going by memory which isn't too good.&nbsp; Any=
way, you mentioned below that "nothing was moved or loosened at the distrib=
utor".&nbsp; Actually you spun the camshaft and the distributor when you sp=
un the crankshaft.&nbsp; I think the oil pump shaft slot (at the bottom of =
the distributor) is slightly off center so you may have to spin the oil pum=
p shaft 180 degrees to get them to line up.&nbsp; That's about all I can th=
ink of right now.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Hope that helps.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Gary=
&nbsp;</div><div><br></div>
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                    On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 12:48:12 PM EDT, Tim Prell =
via Wpta &lt;wpta@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:
                </div>
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                <div><div id=3D"ydp95f63d8eyiv4585337022"><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<div style=3D"margin:0px;font-family:UI Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;color:=
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24cr ydp95f63d8eyiv4585337022gmail-x1mh8g0r ydp95f63d8eyiv4585337022gmail-x=
1vvkbs ydp95f63d8eyiv4585337022gmail-x126k92a"><div style=3D"font-family:in=
herit;">I started the process of replacing thrust washers in my 77 Spitfire=
 this spring and after encouragement from a Triumph Spitfire restoration an=
d support forum, also tried replacing main bearings and rod bearings in pla=
ce.(for better or worse). In order to access the mid-crank rod bearing bolt=
s, I removed the oil pump (cover plate, inner rotor, outer rotor shaft asse=
mbly). Now that all the work is complete and the engine spins as expected, =
the oil pump inner rotor and shaft will not slide fully back into place - i=
t fits into its slot but stops at ~ 1 - 1.5" from fully inserted. </div></d=
iv><div style=3D"margin:0.5em 0px 0px;font-family:UI Helvetica, Arial, sans=
-serif;color:rgb(5,5,5);font-size:18.75px;" class=3D"ydp95f63d8eyiv45853370=
22gmail-x11i5rnm ydp95f63d8eyiv4585337022gmail-xat24cr ydp95f63d8eyiv458533=
7022gmail-x1mh8g0r ydp95f63d8eyiv4585337022gmail-x1vvkbs ydp95f63d8eyiv4585=
337022gmail-xtlvy1s ydp95f63d8eyiv4585337022gmail-x126k92a"><div style=3D"f=
ont-family:inherit;">I can see the slot at the end of the distributor assem=
bly and a second opening in a plate for the inner rotor and shaft to slip t=
hrough which must be blocking the shaft. The inner rotor shaft assembly spi=
ns easily. Any ideas on what can be displaced that won't allow the shaft to=
 completely slide into place would be helpful. Nothing was moved or loosene=
d at the distributor - I only worked on the lower end to replace thrust was=
hers and main plus rod bearings. Some pics attached.</div><div style=3D"fon=
t-family:inherit;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:inherit;">thanks for=
 feedback (at least serious feedback :-).</div><div style=3D"font-family:in=
herit;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:inherit;">Tim</div></div></div>
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