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21. Re: Stock Classes (was: Cheap Gas) (score: 1)
Author: "John J. Stimson-III" <john@idsfa.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:23:09 -0700
2nd question first: eBay. 1st question: I see that as the problem of the person who made the decision to run shocks that were worth claiming. I'm sure that the MR-2 owner who is about to own $2000 Mi
/html/ba-autox/2001-07/msg00290.html (12,297 bytes)

22. RE: Stock Classes (was: Cheap Gas) (score: 1)
Author: "Allendorfer, Peter" <Peter@regionofdoom.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:45:25 -0700
But, it just doesn't work? That's a quick way to get people out of the sport. Oh, and what am I supposed to drive home in? I drove my Miata (Now with no shocks) to the event. I cannot afford a second
/html/ba-autox/2001-07/msg00292.html (12,878 bytes)

23. Re: Stock Classes (was: Cheap Gas) (score: 1)
Author: "John J. Stimson-III" <john@idsfa.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:50:19 -0700
If you can afford to buy a set of $2000 shocks which you know will get claimed, you can afford to keep a spare set of factory shocks to get home on...come on, a claim is unlikely to take you by surpr
/html/ba-autox/2001-07/msg00295.html (14,246 bytes)

24. Re: Stock Classes (was: Cheap Gas) (score: 1)
Author: "Mark J. Andy" <marka@telerama.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 13:51:07 -0400 (EDT)
I'm confused. Every type of claiming I've seen sets the claiming cost at whatever the "normal" parts cost plus some percentage to account for the hassle. If everyone is runnign the "normal" stuff, i
/html/ba-autox/2001-07/msg00296.html (9,824 bytes)

25. Re: Stock Classes (was: Cheap Gas) (score: 1)
Author: Randall Noll <rnoll98@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 11:04:25 -0700 (PDT)
Sounds like we've lowered the parts cost and tripled the labor if we start claiming parts (don't a lot of us run stock so we don't have to wrench?). First of all, if anyone is running a Stock car tha
/html/ba-autox/2001-07/msg00302.html (12,120 bytes)

26. Re: Stock Classes (was: Cheap Gas) (score: 1)
Author: Kevin Stevens <Kevin_Stevens@pursued-with.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 11:47:20 -0700 (PDT)
I'm going to revert to my "social engineering sucks" stance. If you don't want to allow shocks, find a way to say so, rather than engaging in dubious dodges to discourage people from doing something
/html/ba-autox/2001-07/msg00305.html (10,228 bytes)

27. Re: Stock Classes (was: Cheap Gas) (score: 1)
Author: "Mark J. Andy" <marka@telerama.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 15:00:21 -0400 (EDT)
Perhaps, since you don't like the method of saying so, you can come up with a better one? Claiming rules are hardly "dubious dodges". They've worked and currently work in many organizations that are
/html/ba-autox/2001-07/msg00308.html (9,657 bytes)

28. Re: Stock Classes (was: Cheap Gas) (score: 1)
Author: Kevin Stevens <Kevin_Stevens@pursued-with.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 12:06:50 -0700 (PDT)
The painless way to do this is to grandfather the rule in such that it only pertains to new models. KeS
/html/ba-autox/2001-07/msg00309.html (9,264 bytes)

29. Re: Stock Classes (was: Cheap Gas) (score: 1)
Author: "John J. Stimson-III" <john@idsfa.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 12:13:48 -0700
I drive a stock car which cost more than $20,000, because that's what I want as my daily driver. The goal of stock class autocrossing should be to race your own everyday car with as little *addition
/html/ba-autox/2001-07/msg00311.html (11,672 bytes)

30. Re: Stock Classes (was: Cheap Gas) (score: 1)
Author: "John J. Stimson-III" <john@idsfa.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 12:23:37 -0700
I should add to that, "and only because I wanted to have ABS". -- john@idsfa.net John Stimson http://www.idsfa.net/~john/ HMC Physics '94
/html/ba-autox/2001-07/msg00312.html (9,205 bytes)

31. Re: Stock Classes (was: Cheap Gas) (score: 1)
Author: Bryan Medway <creative@razorlab.com>
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 12:37:04 -0700
huh? I have ABS and I spent a lot less then $20,000 -- r|lab digital development http://www.razorlab.com creative@razorlab.com --
/html/ba-autox/2001-07/msg00313.html (10,064 bytes)

32. Re: Stock Classes (was: Cheap Gas) (score: 1)
Author: Kevin Stevens <Kevin_Stevens@pursued-with.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 12:41:28 -0700 (PDT)
Ask a national-level driver to drive your car at a local event. It's by far the cheapest way to improve the performance. KeS
/html/ba-autox/2001-07/msg00315.html (9,333 bytes)

33. RE: Stock Classes (was: Cheap Gas) (score: 1)
Author: "Kelly, Katie" <kkelly@spss.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 12:34:52 -0700
ABS is the kiss of death in Miatas. If you were WISE, you wouldn't have gotten a car with ABS, John, and you wouldn't have to spend any more money. Now, there is no help for you. :) Katie --Original
/html/ba-autox/2001-07/msg00316.html (10,588 bytes)

34. Re: Stock Classes (was: Cheap Gas) (score: 1)
Author: "John J. Stimson-III" <john@idsfa.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 13:00:51 -0700
I'll say -- riding with Sean a couple times helped me drop my times by a full second on that 35-second course yesterday! -- john@idsfa.net John Stimson http://www.idsfa.net/~john/ HMC Physics '94
/html/ba-autox/2001-07/msg00318.html (9,227 bytes)

35. Re: Stock Classes (was: Cheap Gas) (score: 1)
Author: "John J. Stimson-III" <john@idsfa.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 13:15:48 -0700
Hey now, no Miata trash talk from you until Lucy comes back out to play! ;) (explanation to Bryan: I wanted a new Miata, and ABS and its prerequisites are what put me over the $20,000 mark -- ie, if
/html/ba-autox/2001-07/msg00319.html (9,881 bytes)

36. Re: Stock Classes (was: Cheap Gas) (score: 1)
Author: James Creasy <black94pgt@pacbell.net>
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 13:19:59 -0700
oh my god, you are TOTALLY missing a major point point of autocrossing!!! it is a TERRIBLY good reason to buy some horrendously impractical but funfunfun cars!! -james 'funcar' creasy -- Original Me
/html/ba-autox/2001-07/msg00320.html (12,894 bytes)

37. Re: Stock Classes (was: Cheap Gas) (score: 1)
Author: Bryan Medway <creative@razorlab.com>
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 13:30:37 -0700
Isn't that what AC Cobra's and Lotus Elise's are for? =) I'm sure I'll hear it from the cobra owners now.. ;) -- r|lab digital development http://www.razorlab.com creative@razorlab.com --
/html/ba-autox/2001-07/msg00321.html (9,128 bytes)

38. Re: Stock Classes (was: Cheap Gas) (score: 1)
Author: Kevin Stevens <Kevin_Stevens@pursued-with.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 13:51:49 -0700 (PDT)
Why is the burden on me? I don't have a problem with the current rules. I'm only familiar with claiming rules in situations where they are intended to prevent cheating. To clarify my objection, as I
/html/ba-autox/2001-07/msg00324.html (13,046 bytes)

39. Re: Stock Classes (was: Cheap Gas) (score: 1)
Author: "Mark J. Andy" <marka@telerama.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 17:06:33 -0400 (EDT)
The goal of _what level_ of stock class autocrossing? At (normal) regional level, I might agree with you. At a national level, stock class is just another class that people spend big bucks to win. I
/html/ba-autox/2001-07/msg00326.html (10,458 bytes)

40. Re: Stock Classes (was: Cheap Gas) (score: 1)
Author: "Mark J. Andy" <marka@telerama.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 17:27:14 -0400 (EDT)
Me either. But I'd rather see claiming rules vs. some "must have OEM shocks" or other crap. :-) You could look at it that way. Most folks seem to look at it like "its not worth spending $20k on shoc
/html/ba-autox/2001-07/msg00328.html (14,407 bytes)


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