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1. RE: Help needed in classing a Cobra Kit Car. (score: 1): Author: Jeff Winchell <jwinchell@Giftspot.com>; Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:17:56 -0700; Here's an idea. Just buy a NEW Shelby Cobra and then it won't be a kit car. You could even run it in the stock class then (where it will probably run a LOT more competitively than a typical Factory F; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00180.html (10,002 bytes)
2. RE: Nats update #2 (score: 1): Author: Jeff Winchell <jwinchell@Giftspot.com>; Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:59:01 -0700; Well there's something new. ;>; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00283.html (6,567 bytes)
3. RE: Pro finale results are up! (score: 1): Author: Jeff Winchell <jwinchell@Giftspot.com>; Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:15:59 -0700; Thanks for the link. BTW, I'm not familiar with the last trophy winner in ESP, Jim Leithauser, other than he was apparently co-driving Bob's M3. I see that F-Bodies/Mustangs were 5 of the bottom 6 ca; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00285.html (7,870 bytes)
4. RE: Pro finale results are up! (score: 1): Author: Jeff Winchell <jwinchell@Giftspot.com>; Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:59:12 -0700; What, is the M3 going to DSP/FSP?<g,d&r> FYI, late model Mustangs can (or do) already have SFC.; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00289.html (7,135 bytes)
5. RE: Re: Pro finale results are up! now: ESP (score: 1): Author: Jeff Winchell <jwinchell@Giftspot.com>; Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:28:22 -0700; Since Eguina was neck and neck with Madaresh and Ames (and beat Ames), and Steve has been thoroughly trounced by Bob Tunnell every time this year (Pros AND Solo 2), I disagree. But we'll just have t; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00295.html (7,343 bytes)
6. RE: Launch Performance (M3 vs Ponycar) (score: 1): Author: Jeff Winchell <jwinchell@Giftspot.com>; Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:42:45 -0700; I think I've heard the good ESP M3's have around 260 torque (at it's peak) and around 3100 lbs including driver. I don't know what the ring and pinion gear and 1st or 2nd gear ratios are, but they w; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00307.html (8,276 bytes)
7. RE: First Heat results from Topeka are up! (score: 1): Author: Jeff Winchell <jwinchell@Giftspot.com>; Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:47:17 -0700; Thanks SCCA for the quick posts. So I'm guessing John Ames is no longer an entry in ESP? I see last year's ESPL national champion is behind Patty Tunnell's M3 by 2.26 seconds. Just checked out the Na; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00308.html (7,664 bytes)
8. RE: Launch Performance (M3 vs Ponycar) (score: 1): Author: Jeff Winchell <jwinchell@Giftspot.com>; Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 00:36:10 -0700; OK. Yes I've heard that before (and promptly forgot it for this discussion<s>). Well then that's a factor in the other direction. Thanks for the correction. Wow! Well that certainly helps. than your; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00321.html (10,969 bytes)
9. M3 Out of ESP - No Longer a Controversy (score: 1): Author: Jeff Winchell <jwinchell@Giftspot.com>; Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:43:45 -0700; Bob Tunnell whooped every ESP driver that competed against him all year, including 1+ second wins in the ProSolo Finale and the Solo II National Championship. I haven't seen ESPL results yet, but I e; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00325.html (9,503 bytes)
10. RE: M3 Out of ESP - No Longer a Controversy (score: 1): Author: Jeff Winchell <jwinchell@Giftspot.com>; Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:16:40 -0700; The best Talon entry was 2.5 seconds slower than the best ponycar entry. The DSM's are fine in ESP. Fedja and Brian were 8 and 9 last year and this year (not counting the M3s, the are 9 and 2 this y; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00328.html (10,755 bytes)
11. RE: M3 Out of ESP - No Longer a Controversy (score: 1): Author: Jeff Winchell <jwinchell@Giftspot.com>; Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:25:21 -0700; Too many M3 drivers are doing too well this year at too many events. top drivers in unequal Yes. I agree wholeheartedly. I don't know why a minority of people insist on calling these cars dinosaurs.; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00330.html (9,576 bytes)
12. RE: M3 Out of ESP - No Longer a Controversy (score: 1): Author: Jeff Winchell <jwinchell@Giftspot.com>; Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:26:41 -0700; --Original Message-- OK, so Patty "only" won by 3 seconds over last year's national champion.; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00331.html (8,639 bytes)
13. RE: M3 Out of ESP - No Longer a Controversy (score: 1): Author: Jeff Winchell <jwinchell@Giftspot.com>; Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:36:43 -0700; Another observation out of the ESP and ESPL results is that the M3 was superior on both the South and North courses by similiar margins. Even though the courses were quite distinct. Even Stagnaro cou; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00334.html (9,623 bytes)
14. RE: M3 Out of ESP - No Longer a Controversy (score: 1): Author: Jeff Winchell <jwinchell@Giftspot.com>; Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:15:52 -0700; That those people believe it is not worth their time/money to compete. You can try to convince them otherwise, but the size of that communications effort can be quite large. This is an absolute stat; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00346.html (9,847 bytes)
15. RE: Launch Performance (M3 vs Ponycar) (score: 1): Author: Jeff Winchell <jwinchell@Giftspot.com>; Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:20:45 -0700; Well for one, the M3 driver can do like Bob and bring 3 sets of rear end gears to ProSolo/Nationals. The ponycars have other sets of gears to do this too if they wanted, and they have to weigh the t; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00347.html (8,143 bytes)
16. RE: M3 Out of ESP - No Longer a Controversy (score: 1): Author: Jeff Winchell <jwinchell@Giftspot.com>; Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:46:36 -0700; I'm not sure what to make of this. I'm guessing you don't think there should be Ladies classes since if they aren't good enough to win in an open class, what happens to them in a Ladies class is irr; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00352.html (10,296 bytes)
17. RE: ESP (score: 1): Author: Jeff Winchell <jwinchell@Giftspot.com>; Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:20:12 -0700; terms of raw talent. I'm sorry but put his combination If the case against the M3 in ESP was only based on the generic claim that Bob can't be good enough to beat everyone, I'm sure the SEB and >SPA; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00396.html (6,928 bytes)
18. RE: M3 Out of ESP - No Longer a Controversy (score: 1): Author: Jeff Winchell <jwinchell@Giftspot.com>; Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:32:58 -0700; the Sam Strano (last year's 3rd place person) chose to run in SS running in a car model long been proven to be competitive in that class. Dave Shotz was in 2nd last year in one of those "overweight; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00397.html (12,087 bytes)
19. RE: M3 Out of ESP - No Longer a Controversy (score: 1): Author: Jeff Winchell <jwinchell@Giftspot.com>; Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:44:58 -0700; This same comment was leveled against the M3s. And it caused a lot of anger. I think I'll let others evaluate that issue and deal with the other important issues.; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00398.html (9,112 bytes)
20. RE: M3 Out of ESP - No Longer a Controversy (score: 1): Author: Jeff Winchell <jwinchell@Giftspot.com>; Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:54:58 -0700; <<<The next question. Does the sport care about maintaining a class for the traditional pony cars? If protecting the dinosaurs is an important goal, then move the M3.>>> It's a bad idea for an organi; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00399.html (9,300 bytes)

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