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1. [Healeys] concours judging (score: 1): Author: Frederich Ficke <jagwarman@gmail.com>; Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 00:13:17 -0400; I am confused about this concours judging. Isn't the car suppose to reflect as it was when new fresh from the factory. If so why are these high quality paint jobs allowed when cars of the 50's and 60; /html/healeys/2010-08/msg00156.html (7,774 bytes)
2. Re: [Healeys] concours judging (score: 1): Author: <Josef.Eckert@t-systems.com>; Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 09:16:17 +0200; Don't be confused. I am speaking now for Concours on the European side of the pond. Members of the US Concours Committee may have a different view. Our today's standards are much higher than they we; /html/healeys/2010-08/msg00161.html (9,522 bytes)
3. Re: [Healeys] concours judging (score: 1): Author: Alan Seigrist <healey.nut@gmail.com>; Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 15:08:28 +0800; you could also say that about the factory oil leaks off the showroom floor! Alan _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Sugges; /html/healeys/2010-08/msg00162.html (8,774 bytes)
4. Re: [Healeys] concours judging (score: 1): Author: Oudesluys <coudesluijs@chello.nl>; Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 10:25:51 +0200; Is not that odd. What you are saying is that theoretically a brand new original car (if it exists but I am sure there must be one somewhere) with all it original short comings like uneven gaps will; /html/healeys/2010-08/msg00163.html (9,064 bytes)
5. Re: [Healeys] concours judging (score: 1): Author: <Josef.Eckert@t-systems.com>; Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 10:37:22 +0200; When I am judging, uneven gaps means points deducted! Now what is an over restored car? For example, when the car has items chromed, which were not chromed by the factory, it gets also points deduct; /html/healeys/2010-08/msg00164.html (9,215 bytes)
6. Re: [Healeys] concours judging (score: 1): Author: Oudesluys <coudesluijs@chello.nl>; Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 11:19:17 +0200; Strange judging from you nit pickers on originality. It cannot be better (more original) than a car as it left the factory in perfect as new condition, still an over restored vehicle will run away w; /html/healeys/2010-08/msg00165.html (9,805 bytes)
7. Re: [Healeys] concours judging (score: 1): Author: "Mark LaPierre" <lapierrem@sbcglobal.net>; Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 06:53:48 -0400; And the infamous Concours debate continues. Any points added for weather or not the car runs or would that be a deduction? Mark _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net; /html/healeys/2010-08/msg00166.html (11,260 bytes)
8. Re: [Healeys] concours judging (score: 1): Author: CAWS52803@aol.com; Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 07:18:33 EDT; When I judged at Lime Rock Fall Festival, I did a series of cars, so exact knowledge was impossible, but with Healeys, if the bolt was stainless steel, it was a deduction. On a side note, I observed; /html/healeys/2010-08/msg00167.html (8,700 bytes)
9. [Healeys] concours judging (score: 1): Author: <Josef.Eckert@t-systems.com>; Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 14:32:19 +0200; You should not believe the finest Concours car is one left in a barn for the past 40-50 years after the one and only drive from the dealers showroom. Let me go back to Concours and what's all behind; /html/healeys/2010-08/msg00168.html (8,929 bytes)
10. [Healeys] concours judging (score: 1): Author: Frederich Ficke <jagwarman@gmail.com>; Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 09:05:26 -0400; I appreciate all the info on the judging. I guess I grew up with great cars . I remember Dad having Jags he had a 37 ss100 roadster and 120's and 140' and 150. Shoot we had everything It was the 1960; /html/healeys/2010-08/msg00170.html (9,028 bytes)
11. Re: [Healeys] concours judging (score: 1): Author: Tom Felts <tomfelts@windstream.net>; Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 9:07:04 -0400; All of this discussion reinforces my reason for never having my car judged in YMMV, of course. tom == When I judged at Lime Rock Fall Festival, I did a series of cars, so exact knowledge was impossib; /html/healeys/2010-08/msg00171.html (9,510 bytes)
12. Re: [Healeys] concours judging (score: 1): Author: Alan Seigrist <healey.nut@gmail.com>; Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 21:15:49 +0800; If it's an Austin 1100 automatic I believe it should get full Concours points if it has the factory correct non-running feature, as typically received by the client from the showroom floor. Alan ___; /html/healeys/2010-08/msg00172.html (12,426 bytes)
13. Re: [Healeys] concours judging (score: 1): Author: I Erbs <eyera3@gmail.com>; Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 06:19:09 -0700; I believe Pebble Beach has a catagory for original unrestored cars to address this issue. Its a beauty contest. My wife is an original unrestored beauty, not an overly made up pampered contestant I E; /html/healeys/2010-08/msg00173.html (11,657 bytes)
14. Re: [Healeys] concours judging (score: 1): Author: "warthodson@aol.com" <warthodson@aol.com>; Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 09:27:36 -0400; I don't think I understand your comment. How is that different from the "factory" painting the car & the restorer painting the car? Also the person restoring the lassic and putting chalk marks and s; /html/healeys/2010-08/msg00174.html (8,572 bytes)
15. Re: [Healeys] concours judging (score: 1): Author: "warthodson@aol.com" <warthodson@aol.com>; Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 09:35:50 -0400; In North America the cars are not competing against each other. They are being judged to a set of standards. It is possible for several cars to all achieve the same level, for instance "Gold" level.; /html/healeys/2010-08/msg00175.html (11,030 bytes)
16. Re: [Healeys] concours judging (score: 1): Author: "warthodson@aol.com" <warthodson@aol.com>; Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 09:40:06 -0400; Sorry if this is a duplicate. In North America the cars are not competing against each other. They are being judged to a set of standards. It is possible for several cars to all achieve the same leve; /html/healeys/2010-08/msg00176.html (8,674 bytes)
17. Re: [Healeys] concours judging (score: 1): Author: gonnagitcha90@hotmail.com; Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 14:11:17 +0000; Me either as all my cars are drivers. BUT, I do enter wash and shine events for the more laid back environment and comaraderie (sp) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry --Original Message-- From:; /html/healeys/2010-08/msg00178.html (9,977 bytes)
18. Re: [Healeys] concours judging (score: 1): Author: <robertduquette@sympatico.ca>; Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 15:02:44 +0000; So ... you're saying that leaking synthetic oil would be a points deduction? Robert Duquette Ottawa ON Canada reflect quality of works what _______________________________________________ Healeys@aut; /html/healeys/2010-08/msg00182.html (9,748 bytes)
19. Re: [Healeys] concours judging (score: 1): Author: "Curt/Nancy Arndt" <cnaarndt@gmail.com>; Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 08:04:33 -0700; *Part two continued...* Now to your specific question on paint. Several years ago a fellow Concours committee member was restoring his car and he prepped the body for paint, which was then to be done; /html/healeys/2010-08/msg00183.html (10,815 bytes)
20. Re: [Healeys] concours judging (score: 1): Author: "Curt/Nancy Arndt" <cnaarndt@gmail.com>; Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 09:12:07 -0700; You understand correctly, but I must clarify something. Cars are judged as to a standard of how they came from the factory, and as far as I and Roger Moment are concerned, our Concours Guidelines ar; /html/healeys/2010-08/msg00187.html (10,247 bytes)

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