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21. Re: [Land-speed] Car Spins (score: 1): Author: Rich Fox <v4gmr@yahoo.com>; Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:09:32 -0700 (PDT); Bob Herda, The Markleys, I think Kenze and Leslie all used swing axle rear ends for pretty much the same reason. Al Holoway built what is now my roadster with the same rear end and spun it,but that w; /html/land-speed/2009-06/msg00134.html (9,649 bytes)
22. [Land-speed] Car Spins (score: 1): Author: "Jim Dincau" <jdincau@qnet.com>; Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:44:40 -0700; I don't think it would help. The engine torque tries to twist the frame and unloads the right rear. Mounting the ring and pinion solidly will just put it's contribution into the chassis with the same; /html/land-speed/2009-06/msg00135.html (8,416 bytes)
23. Re: [Land-speed] Car Spins (score: 1): Author: Bryan Savage <b.a.savage@wildblue.net>; Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:51:33 -0700; My Dad's neighbor drove P-51 in Europe during WWII. I can't remember any details, but I remember him talking about keeping the wing tip off the ground when taking off. He flew B-25 or B-26's at first; /html/land-speed/2009-06/msg00137.html (8,082 bytes)
24. Re: [Land-speed] Car Spins (score: 1): Author: "John Burk" <joyseydevil@comcast.net>; Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:32:56 -0400; If I was building a roadster I'd think about using De Dion suspension and a torque tube . _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Land-speed m; /html/land-speed/2009-06/msg00138.html (8,476 bytes)
25. [Land-speed] Car Spins (score: 1): Author: "Kirkwood" <saltfever@comcast.net>; Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 04:18:31 -0700; How about thrust angle? Does any car have perfect perpendicularity? Without a laser how can you get closer than 1/16". Or, structural distortion from stress changing the thrust angle. . . . Are there; /html/land-speed/2009-06/msg00143.html (7,823 bytes)
26. Re: [Land-speed] Car Spins (score: 1): Author: Skip Higginbotham <saltrat@pahrump.com>; Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:10:32 -0700; Well, in the absence of other speculation and no volunteers of data supporting the effects of exhaust thrust nor thrust numbers, I would suggest that exhaust thrust can push the front of a car in the; /html/land-speed/2009-06/msg00144.html (9,929 bytes)
27. Re: [Land-speed] Car Spins (score: 1): Author: NT788@comcast.net; Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:24:47 +0000 (UTC); Any steering input reacting to caster will load or unload one rear wheel. Caster causes spins. There I've said it! Jack Well, in the absence of other speculation and no volunteers of data supporting; /html/land-speed/2009-06/msg00145.html (10,387 bytes)
28. Re: [Land-speed] Car Spins (score: 1): Author: Skip Higginbotham <saltrat@pahrump.com>; Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:38:05 -0700; You sure did. And an excellent postulation it is too! One question, how can this lead to spins in one direction if the car doesn't tend to go in that direction? Seems to me that the direction of rota; /html/land-speed/2009-06/msg00146.html (11,084 bytes)
29. Re: [Land-speed] Car Spins (score: 1): Author: "Doug Odom" <dlodom@charter.net>; Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:23:26 -0700; Jack, I agree that caster CAN cause a spin BUT it can also help you from spinning. Think about a sprint car. Short wheelbase and wide tread width with lots of caster to keep it from following ruts i; /html/land-speed/2009-06/msg00151.html (8,972 bytes)
30. Re: [Land-speed] Car Spins (score: 1): Author: "John Burk" <joyseydevil@comcast.net>; Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:37:46 -0400; Caster doesn't change rear tire loading if scrub is zero . _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Land-speed mailing list http://autox.team.n; /html/land-speed/2009-06/msg00152.html (7,948 bytes)
31. Re: [Land-speed] Car Spins (score: 1): Author: NT788@comcast.net; Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 00:02:06 +0000 (UTC); Put bicycle tires on a 700hp sprinter. and run it for a land speed record.Then what? Thanks JackB Jack, I agree that caster CAN cause a spin BUT it can also help you from spinning. Think about a spr; /html/land-speed/2009-06/msg00156.html (9,094 bytes)
32. Re: [Land-speed] Car Spins (score: 1): Author: NT788@comcast.net; Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 00:04:52 +0000 (UTC); Caster doesn't change rear tire loading if scrub is zero . Land-speed mailing list You are subscribed as nt788@comcast.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed _________________________; /html/land-speed/2009-06/msg00157.html (8,107 bytes)
33. Re: [Land-speed] Car Spins (score: 1): Author: Skip Higginbotham <saltrat@pahrump.com>; Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 07:47:33 -0700; John, What is a typical factory scrub dimension for a 2WD steering system? And a car racing at lakes and Bonneville? Different for long and short WB? Where can the data be found? Skip _______________; /html/land-speed/2009-06/msg00164.html (8,003 bytes)
34. Re: [Land-speed] Car Spins (score: 1): Author: "Doug Odom" <dlodom@charter.net>; Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 08:26:59 -0700; Jack, I was using a sprint car to show what caster effect was because it is the most extreme example. It is easier for people to understand the idea of what we are talking about by using such a simpl; /html/land-speed/2009-06/msg00168.html (9,567 bytes)
35. Re: [Land-speed] Car Spins (score: 1): Author: drmayf <drmayf@mayfco.com>; Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 09:49:01 -0700; Hmmm, not sure I agree with this. Even with zero scrub, when the wheel is turned the the inside wheel has to rotate around the caster angle line and that puts the outer part of th tire tread into lif; /html/land-speed/2009-06/msg00170.html (9,023 bytes)
36. Re: [Land-speed] Car Spins (score: 1): Author: NT788@comcast.net; Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 17:33:29 +0000 (UTC); dats what I tink! B jack Hmmm, not sure I agree with this. B Even with zero scrub, when the wheel is turned the the inside wheel has to rotate around the caster angle line and that puts the outer par; /html/land-speed/2009-06/msg00172.html (9,414 bytes)
37. Re: [Land-speed] Car Spins (score: 1): Author: Chris Harris <yesford@clear.net.nz>; Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 11:38:51 +1200; Sprint cars are a good example Doug. Apparently some sprinters actually have king pin caster only on the front left to jack the right rear. The other king pin has little layback. Excellent info from; /html/land-speed/2009-06/msg00176.html (8,556 bytes)
38. Re: [Land-speed] Car Spins (score: 1): Author: NT788@comcast.net; Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 15:47:39 +0000 (UTC); I used that silly example as a means to demonstrate whatB can happen when using extreme geometry that helps turning,B is used for accurate straight line running. If you nee a little wheel "feel" 2deg; /html/land-speed/2009-06/msg00179.html (9,368 bytes)
39. [Land-speed] Car Spins (score: 1): Author: "Doug Odom" <dlodom@charter.net>; Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 09:40:00 -0700; Jack, I think we are all a little guilty of making blanket statements. We often forget the wide variety of cars that are all lumped into LSR. Wheelbases range from under 90" to over 300". Front ends; /html/land-speed/2009-06/msg00184.html (7,370 bytes)
40. Re: [Land-speed] Car Spins (score: 1): Author: NT788@comcast.net; Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:40:36 +0000 (UTC); B Its basic physics, it applies to all layouts with more or less effect, effect none the less.B Jack B -- Original Message -- From: "Doug Odom" <dlodom@charter.net> To: NT788@comcast.net Cc: "land-s; /html/land-speed/2009-06/msg00188.html (8,738 bytes)

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