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1. Ballast (score: 1): Author: "Dan Warner" <dwarner@electrorent.com>; Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:11:04 -0700; Does ballast have to be "fixed" in a LSR car? Could you use a onboard weight transfer system? I'm thinking of a very small version of the weight sled you see at tractor pulls. This could compensate f; /html/land-speed/2001-07/msg00030.html (8,165 bytes)
2. Re: Ballast (score: 1): Author: Joe Amo <jkamo@rapidnet.com>; Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 23:44:49 -0600; Am I missing something, with respect to the effect of fuel loss. I dont see 1-2 gallon fuel loss weight having an appreciable effect on traction, especially in contrast to the change in aerodynamic f; /html/land-speed/2001-07/msg00034.html (8,685 bytes)
3. Re: Ballast (score: 1): Author: "Jim Dincau" <jdincau@qnet.com>; Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:40:16 -0700; You got to get a less fuel efficient race vehicle. The modified burns about 11 gallons in a five mile pass and that's straight alcohol no nitro. That would be about 70 pounds off the front axle. Jim; /html/land-speed/2001-07/msg00035.html (8,802 bytes)
4. Re: Ballast (score: 1): Author: Joe Amo <jkamo@rapidnet.com>; Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 00:08:11 -0600; Here you go Dave, an exhaust collector that is directed up for the acceleration heavy portion of the run, that rotates to or towards a more rearward aspect to enhance drag toward the end of the run..; /html/land-speed/2001-07/msg00037.html (9,337 bytes)
5. Re: Ballast (score: 1): Author: Joe Amo <jkamo@rapidnet.com>; Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 00:10:08 -0600; as usual, I WAS missing something.... /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// To unsubscribe send a plain text message to majordomo@autox.team.net /// with nothing in it but /// /// unsubs; /html/land-speed/2001-07/msg00038.html (8,879 bytes)
6. Re: Ballast (score: 1): Author: john robinson <john@engr.wisc.edu>; Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 12:59:29 -0500; Howdy, NASCAR racers are aware of the aero disadvantages of the exhaust exiting the side of the cars, but can't do much about it. One of the race tech magazines (lets see now ,93-94 ? I forget the na; /html/land-speed/2001-07/msg00040.html (9,597 bytes)
7. RE: Ballast (score: 1): Author: "Smith, Simon-Pierre" <Simon-Pierre.Smith@PSS.Boeing.com>; Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 11:06:06 -0700; Seems to me that for every pound of downforce you get from your exhaust, you get that much times your coefficient of friction out of your tires. On salt you'd be better off pointing the exhaust back; /html/land-speed/2001-07/msg00041.html (9,062 bytes)
8. Re: Ballast (score: 1): Author: Joe Amo <jkamo@rapidnet.com>; Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 02:05:23 -0600; yes, but when it is applied through the wheels you get to take advantange of all that multiplied torque from the motor, and that likely pushes alot harder than any thrust derived from pushing the exh; /html/land-speed/2001-07/msg00063.html (9,613 bytes)
9. Re: Ballast (score: 1): Author: Dave Dahlgren <ddahlgren@snet.net>; Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 06:49:54 -0400; Thinking logically it would seem the down force to be canceled by the increase in aero drag. It has to make a lot bigger hole in the air if it comes out 90 degrees to the direction of travel. If you; /html/land-speed/2001-07/msg00070.html (10,206 bytes)
10. Re: Ballast (score: 1): Author: Joe Amo <jkamo@rapidnet.com>; Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 20:51:14 -0600; I am with your line of thinking Dave, BUT with the aero/go fast expertise that the Vesco's have, it would also seem logical that they have good reason for their design... Joe :) /// /// land-speed@au; /html/land-speed/2001-07/msg00075.html (10,667 bytes)
11. Re: Ballast (score: 1): Author: "glen barrett" <speedtimer@charter.net>; Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 07:50:58 -0700; A couple of years ago the issue of Vescos car came up and a protest was started by Jim Fueling stating the Vesco car was assisted by thrust from the exhaust. I and several others were in attendance; /html/land-speed/2001-07/msg00078.html (12,061 bytes)
12. Re: Ballast (score: 1): Author: Want1937hd@aol.com; Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 11:04:07 EDT; << My feelings on that issue is a motorcycle has two wheels unless it is a real side hack racer which there is a class for. Lets see what this starts. Glen >> Can the sidecar be on either side? Must; /html/land-speed/2001-07/msg00080.html (8,093 bytes)
13. Re: Ballast (score: 1): Author: Dave Dahlgren <ddahlgren@snet.net>; Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 11:03:02 -0400; That was a silly protest and should have been demised from the beginning. Every engine has a thrust factor in the exhaust period no exceptions... It has been well documented and accounted for for dec; /html/land-speed/2001-07/msg00081.html (12,937 bytes)
14. Re: Ballast (score: 1): Author: "glen barrett" <speedtimer@charter.net>; Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 08:10:53 -0700; The original configuration cannot change for return runs. side /// /// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list /// To unsubscribe send a plain text message to majordomo@autox.team.net /// with nothing; /html/land-speed/2001-07/msg00082.html (8,568 bytes)
15. Re: Ballast (score: 1): Author: "glen barrett" <speedtimer@charter.net>; Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 08:12:34 -0700; I think it was an ego thing at the time Glen -- Original Message -- From: "Dave Dahlgren" <ddahlgren@snet.net> To: "glen barrett" <speedtimer@charter.net> Cc: "Joe Amo" <jkamo@rapidnet.com>; "Smith,; /html/land-speed/2001-07/msg00083.html (13,653 bytes)
16. Re: Ballast (score: 1): Author: "DrMayf" <drmayf@teknett.com>; Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 10:53:48 -0700; Silly sounding or not, It was a good protest! Why, well it is a jet engine he is using ang the realpurpose of the jet is to move large quantities of hot air backwards. I am not sure where the test wa; /html/land-speed/2001-07/msg00087.html (14,494 bytes)
17. Re: Ballast (score: 1): Author: "glen barrett" <speedtimer@charter.net>; Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 13:32:07 -0700; The exhaust was pointed up and slightly back. It is a shaft turbine connected to the drive train. Don told me and others the thrust to weight ratio would not be enough to start moving the car. Glen; /html/land-speed/2001-07/msg00088.html (16,180 bytes)
18. RE: Ballast (score: 1): Author: "Clay, Dale" <Dale.Clay@mdhelicopters.com>; Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 07:28:57 -0700; The exhaust plume IS included in the frontal area number and contributes to the drag number. I doubt any increase in traction would overcome the additional drag. Dale C. /////////////////////////////; /html/land-speed/2001-07/msg00106.html (8,522 bytes)
19. Ballast (score: 1): Author: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>; Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 03:50:24 -0600; Jerry and Jeff kinda hung out a couple of times.... Being friends with my Brother in Law they had to come see Sal make a Pass in the Hot Rod...... That and Jeff.... well he seemed to be Taken with Br; /html/land-speed/2001-02/msg00878.html (7,770 bytes)
20. Ballast (score: 1): Author: Dick J <lsr_man@yahoo.com>; Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 08:24:34 -0800 (PST); That got me wondering. How much ballast do you run? Do you run the same at Maxton as you do at Bonneville and El Mirage? What do you use for ballast and where is it mounted? One of these days, I mig; /html/land-speed/2000-11/msg00461.html (6,958 bytes)

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