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1. Re: Banquet longevity (score: 1): Author: Ray Benoit <spyderay@jps.net>; Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 13:30:11 -0400; State sponsored or not, why should someone be forced into a religious activity in order to participate in a sport? Anyone who wishes to pray before eating is certainly free to do so without requiring; /html/autox/2000-10/msg00001.html (9,281 bytes)
2. Re: Banquet longevity (score: 1): Author: jac73@daimlerchrysler.com; Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 07:45:17 -0400; Regarding the invocations at the banquets... not necessary. Moment of silence, sure. For those of us who are of non-Christian religious persuasions, no religious persuasion at all, and even for many; /html/autox/2000-10/msg00022.html (7,404 bytes)
3. RE: Banquet longevity (score: 1): Author: "Linnhoff, Eric" <elinnhoff@smmc.saint-lukes.org>; Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 08:48:38 -0500; O give me a break. "Forced"??? Who was it that was holding your arms and preventing you from standing up and going to the restroom to pee or outsides to smoke a cig? Did your table mates put super gl; /html/autox/2000-10/msg00027.html (8,441 bytes)
4. Re: Banquet Longevity (score: 1): Author: Paul Foster <pfoster@gdi.net>; Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 10:43:37 -0400; <<<Why would anyone be offended at the offering of a prayer? I must confess that I happen to be of the christian belief; however, I would not be offended if a member of another religeon wished to say; /html/autox/2000-10/msg00034.html (8,127 bytes)
5. Re: Banquet longevity (score: 1): Author: "Ron Bauer" <ronbauer@aa.net>; Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 08:43:47 -0700; I'd say the quickest way to offend those who really do appreciate the prayer is to get up and walk out of the room. I'm just curious as to why there is so much bickering going on. What is wrong with; /html/autox/2000-10/msg00040.html (9,231 bytes)
6. Re: Banquet Longevity (score: 1): Author: REPilfold@aol.com; Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:04:40 EDT; << Mark Daddio writes: <<<Why would anyone be offended at the offering of a prayer? I must confess that I happen to be of the christian belief; however, I would not be offended if a member of another; /html/autox/2000-10/msg00094.html (7,587 bytes)
7. Re: Banquet Longevity (score: 1): Author: Paul Foster <pfoster@gdi.net>; Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 22:22:22 -0400; Have you spent much time in other countries? I have and the typical rule of hand is to follow the local customs within reason. I'm not going to eat monkey brain under any circumstances but I fail to; /html/autox/2000-10/msg00095.html (7,960 bytes)
8. Re: Banquet Longevity (score: 1): Author: "Eric Linnhoff" <eric10mm@qni.com>; Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 01:44:39 -0500; == Apparently you didn't eat the same food as the rest of us on Friday night. ;^) Whadja do, order a pizza? Eric Linnhoff in KC '98 Neon R/T <eric10mm@qni.com> "Whether outwardly or inwardly, whethe; /html/autox/2000-10/msg00103.html (7,485 bytes)
9. RE: Banquet Longevity (score: 1): Author: "Kelly, Katie" <kkelly@spss.com>; Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:44:48 -0700; Eric Linnhoff writes... Maybe when you don't pray, maybe you're not as appreciative, but then again your expectations aren't as high? :) Several years ago, I was staying with my friend Tim's family f; /html/autox/2000-10/msg00122.html (9,391 bytes)
10. Re: Banquet longevity (score: 1): Author: Bill Sanford <tvrdude@netzero.net>; Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 23:52:23 -0700; Man its hard to keep up even on digest! I can't help but notice the subject line seems a little off for a 1-2 minute "prayer/silence/smoke/pee" or anything else mentioned here. I for one deeply belie; /html/autox/2000-10/msg00171.html (7,808 bytes)
11. Banquet Longevity (score: 1): Author: GRMPer@aol.com; Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 09:13:20 EDT; Someone wrote (lose this sort of thing in digest) True, but you could offend a lot less people AND shorten the banquets by doing away with the prayer at the beginning of the dinner. Per (not speaking; /html/autox/2000-09/msg01558.html (7,323 bytes)
12. RE: Banquet Longevity (score: 1): Author: "Linnhoff, Eric" <elinnhoff@smmc.saint-lukes.org>; Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 08:34:56 -0500; It wasn't even that long. What, about a minute?. Sheesh, have we really turned into a totally Godless nation? I'm no Jesus freak holy roller (although I heard rumors of Jesus driving a CP car) and d; /html/autox/2000-09/msg01560.html (8,096 bytes)
13. Re: Banquet Longevity (score: 1): Author: "Jay Mitchell" <jemitchell@compuserve.com>; Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 09:47:23 -0500; This is the same specious argument that turns up every time someone objects to a public prayer. It couldn't possibly be more mistaken. Here's my rebuttal: Objecting to one person's praying on behalf; /html/autox/2000-09/msg01565.html (8,768 bytes)
14. RE: Banquet Longevity (score: 1): Author: "Linnhoff, Eric" <elinnhoff@smmc.saint-lukes.org>; Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 09:58:53 -0500; If a moment of silence is observed, I have no objection whatever. At least then, everyone gets to say his/her own prayer. Jay == Okay, I see your point. A moment of silence would've been more "fair"; /html/autox/2000-09/msg01568.html (8,264 bytes)
15. Re: Banquet Longevity (score: 1): Author: Mark Sirota <msirota@isc.upenn.edu>; Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:10:33 -0400; Frankly, in the past, Joyce's prayers have been considerably more general in nature. This is the first I remember being so directly Christian. Still, I agree, this prayer has no place at Nationals. T; /html/autox/2000-09/msg01569.html (8,244 bytes)
16. RE: Banquet Longevity (score: 1): Author: "Arthur Emerson" <vreihen@hotmail.com>; Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:40:47 GMT; You really don't go to church on Sundays??? At our local events, the [attendance mandatory] "mass" of "thou shalt not's" starts at 10:30 AM, with first car off at 10:45. :-) Seriously, though, 15 sec; /html/autox/2000-09/msg01572.html (8,825 bytes)
17. RE: Banquet Longevity (score: 1): Author: "Mark J. Andy" <marka@telerama.com>; Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:56:21 -0400 (EDT); I guarantee that your ideas are heathen to somebody, and likely to someone that was at the banquet with you. Religion and prayer should be voluntary, not forced. Its certainly not the biggest proble; /html/autox/2000-09/msg01576.html (8,610 bytes)
18. RE: Banquet Longevity (score: 1): Author: "Richard Atkins" <buzz@indiana.net>; Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:30:29 -0500; Got to agree and disagree at the same time, I think that a prayer to a higher power is called for but I agree it should not be Christian in nature. There are many ways to acknowledge a higher power w; /html/autox/2000-09/msg01581.html (9,208 bytes)
19. RE: Banquet Longevity (score: 1): Author: "Moore, John" <jmoore@opentv.com>; Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:18:38 -0500; And after all, so far no one has complained about waiting for the Canadian National Anthem to play every morning, and that is lots longer than 1 minute. :) No Offense to those north of the border, I; /html/autox/2000-09/msg01582.html (9,546 bytes)
20. Re: Banquet Longevity (score: 1): Author: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky@tri.net>; Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:11:15 -0500; than Count your blessings. Used to be, when we were in Salina, for the banquets we had a color guard come in from the local military school while we played the Star Spangled Bananas, and then for equ; /html/autox/2000-09/msg01583.html (9,040 bytes)

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