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1. Fraud? (score: 1): Author: Bob Palmer <rpalmer@ames.ucsd.edu>; Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 07:08:19 -0700; While, as we all know, there are many different perspectives on the Alger question, I think the sale of one in Monterey last Friday provides an opportunity to focus on a specific and tangible case r; /html/tigers/1998-08/msg00349.html (8,508 bytes)
2. Re: Fraud? (score: 1): Author: mmeswarb@huntel.net; Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:18:19 -0600; Just curious, but what if the VIN plates had not been switched. i.e. they were still Alpine numbers, but on a conversion? If this guy's a first time Tiger buyer he might not know an Alpine VIN from a; /html/tigers/1998-08/msg00357.html (8,001 bytes)
3. Re: Fraud? (score: 1): Author: "JAN HARDE" <harde@cyberesc.net>; Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:50:48 -0700; If the car had the Alpine ID and not represented as a Tiger, then O.K. , many people out there have MBZ 450's that put the 560 script on it or a Mustang with a Cora emblem, no harm, but if the car i; /html/tigers/1998-08/msg00362.html (9,080 bytes)
4. Re: Fraud? (score: 1): Author: brockctella@juno.com; Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 20:25:24 -0700; Yes Bob, fraud is the issue. On Tue, 18 Aug 1998 07:08:19 -0700 Bob Palmer <rpalmer@ames.ucsd.edu> writes:; /html/tigers/1998-08/msg00364.html (9,374 bytes)
5. Re: Fraud? (score: 1): Author: Steve Laifman <laifman@flash.net>; Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:56:46 -0700; Just curious, but what if the VIN plates had not been switched. i.e. they were still Alpine numbers, but on a conversion? If this guy's a first time Tiger buyer he might not know an Alpine VIN from a; /html/tigers/1998-08/msg00370.html (8,279 bytes)
6. Re: Fraud? (score: 1): Author: CoolVT@aol.com; Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:08:52 EDT; The auctioneer, in selling a car, is acting as the seller's agent. I'm sure if a buyer has been taken for a ride the auctioneer would be very willing to make things right by contacting the seller. I; /html/tigers/1998-08/msg00373.html (7,973 bytes)
7. Re: Fraud? (score: 1): Author: Steve Laifman <laifman@flash.net>; Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:07:45 -0700; Mark, Couldn't agree more. Exactly as I recommended to our expert, Norman, et al, in the first and all subsequent letters. I hope you don't think I'd really let them look into one of our rockets? Mig; /html/tigers/1998-08/msg00376.html (8,415 bytes)
8. Re: Fraud? (score: 1): Author: "Doug & Rett Leithauser" <dleit@mintcity.com>; Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 06:59:16 -0400; and what if it was the Tiger VIN plate attached with the original rivets to the original tiger sheet metal and the rest of the body was fron an Alpine. Is it now a restored Tiger? Where is the line b; /html/tigers/1998-08/msg00389.html (9,932 bytes)
9. Re: Fraud? (score: 1): Author: Bob Palmer <rpalmer@ames.ucsd.edu>; Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 07:34:24 -0700; Doug, et Listers, I posed the same hypothetical question to the list recently myself. My guess is the answer depends on whether you are asking in terms of State and Federal Laws or with regard to TAC; /html/tigers/1998-08/msg00392.html (9,090 bytes)
10. Re: Fraud? (score: 1): Author: HW200@aol.com; Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 02:53:24 EDT; What if Norm's book listing is inaccurate, then the victim becomes the guy who has just been accussed of fraud for selling a legitimate Tiger- not to be too pholosophical. Henry; /html/tigers/1998-08/msg00437.html (7,834 bytes)
11. Re: Fraud? (score: 1): Author: Bob Palmer <rpalmer@ames.ucsd.edu>; Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 18:27:08 -0700; Is this the best you can do?? Don't shoot the messenger here. Norm just posted this on his Web page a few months ago and now passed on to the list the latest chapter for this car. I understand the c; /html/tigers/1998-08/msg00453.html (9,367 bytes)
12. Re: Fraud? (score: 1): Author: Bob Palmer <rpalmer@ames.ucsd.edu>; Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 08:17:15 -0700; Henry, et Listers, In the interests of accuracy, I would like to make a correction to my previous posting. It appears I was mistaken about Norm having included the Pebble Beach car in the conversions; /html/tigers/1998-08/msg00459.html (11,305 bytes)
13. Re: Fraud? (score: 1): Author: PLRRESTO@aol.com; Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 17:55:22 EDT; Bob, et Listers, Just for the record, the MK2 in question has never been presented to the STOA TAC committee for authentication, and to the best of my knowledge, no TAC inspector has ever even seen t; /html/tigers/1998-08/msg00469.html (8,595 bytes)
14. Re: Fraud? (score: 1): Author: PLRRESTO@aol.com; Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 17:55:39 EDT; Bob, et Listers, Just for the record, the MK2 in question has never been presented to the STOA TAC committee for authentication, and to the best of my knowledge, no TAC inspector has ever even seen t; /html/tigers/1998-08/msg00470.html (8,562 bytes)
15. Re: Fraud? (score: 1): Author: B&C Mustang <info@bcmustang.com>; Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 17:09:35 -0500; hang in there Paul . somebody has to take charge. and it is not going to be easy. Chris; /html/tigers/1998-08/msg00471.html (7,910 bytes)
16. Re: Fraud? (score: 1): Author: Bob Palmer <rpalmer@ames.ucsd.edu>; Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 18:56:06 -0700; Paul, et Listers, First off, thanks for the "official" (I assume this IS official) word from TAC on this subject. Your response confirms my belief that we will never see TAC ever admit to having insp; /html/tigers/1998-08/msg00476.html (13,768 bytes)
17. Re: Fraud? (score: 1): Author: Bob Palmer <rpalmer@ames.ucsd.edu>; Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 20:58:53 -0700; Allow me to clarify myself. In the previous post I ended by saying "But just tell us that TAC, either as an organization or as individuals, cannot comment other than to say that a car has, or has no; /html/tigers/1998-08/msg00480.html (9,434 bytes)
18. RE: Fraud? (score: 1): Author: Frank Marrone <marrone@wco.com>; Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 21:27:27 -0700; Mr. Palmer wrote... I may not understand the nuances of your statement above but I don't = think you have the right to tell anyone what they may or may not discuss = in this forum. Sounds to me like; /html/tigers/1998-08/msg00481.html (8,404 bytes)
19. Re: Fraud? (score: 1): Author: Jim Parent <jparent@yahoo.com>; Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 22:02:22 -0700 (PDT); With regard to: "I have been told that the car has been inspected by certified "experts"(not Norm) and the physical evidence clearly shows that Norm is correct. So, Henry, I believe your "innocent un; /html/tigers/1998-08/msg00483.html (8,346 bytes)
20. RE: Fraud? (score: 1): Author: Bob Palmer <rpalmer@ames.ucsd.edu>; Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 22:31:08 -0700; Frank, et Listers, I hope the meaning of what I wrote was clearer to most of you than it apparently was to Frank. you have the right to tell anyone what they may or may not discuss in this forum. I a; /html/tigers/1998-08/msg00485.html (11,142 bytes)

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