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1. Here Comes the VIN Judge! (score: 1): Author: Steve Laifman <laifman@flash.net>; Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:03:42 +0000; To put an end to the "endless" round of opinions, speculations, individual experiences, and misunderstandings rampant on this subject, I am including the REAL THING. The web site for the California D; /html/tigers/1998-01/msg00301.html (13,356 bytes)
2. Re: Here Comes the VIN Judge! (score: 1): Author: Marc James Small <msmall@roanoke.infi.net>; Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:11:10 -0500; Wonderful posting. Please note that each one of the statutes cited imposes criminal liability ONLY if the change of the identification numbers (NOTE: NOT VIN plate) is for a fraudulent purpose. I di; /html/tigers/1998-01/msg00302.html (7,683 bytes)
3. Re: Here Comes the VIN Judge! (score: 1): Author: Steve Laifman <laifman@flash.net>; Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:47:28 +0000; Marc, Thank you for your kind response. I do think, however, that the burden of proof on intent is on the owner if the DMV "believes" that "tampering" has occurred. The inspection of the ID (which is; /html/tigers/1998-01/msg00305.html (8,980 bytes)
4. Here Comes the VIN Judge! (score: 1): Author: Jim Parent <jimparent@compuserve.com>; Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:46:33 -0500; So as long as we don't remove and replace the VIN tag "with the intent to= misrepresent the identity or prevent the identification of.........." we have no legal problems in California. = It's obvio; /html/tigers/1998-01/msg00308.html (7,944 bytes)
5. Re: Here Comes the VIN Judge! (score: 1): Author: Jim Parent <jimparent@compuserve.com>; Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:51:05 -0500; The DMV can "believe" whatever they like. Since we are not guilty unless= proven so there either should be no real proble. I can see encountering a clerk who may give you a problem but the law speaks; /html/tigers/1998-01/msg00309.html (7,997 bytes)
6. Re: Here Comes the VIN Judge! (score: 1): Author: brockctella@juno.com (Brock C Tella); Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:00:50 -0800; Its the same case of misinformatuion that caused tac. 72 Pantera-65 Tiger-96 Thunderbird 4.6 On Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:46:33 -0500 Jim Parent <jimparent@compuserve.com> writes: _________________________; /html/tigers/1998-01/msg00310.html (8,873 bytes)
7. RE: Here Comes the VIN Judge! (score: 1): Author: Bob Palmer <rpalmerbob@email.msn.com>; Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:15:52 -0800; Steve, et al., I agree with Marc, and a lot of others I'm sure, that you've added a lot more, a "light than heat" to this subject Marc, Thank you for your kind response. I do think, however, that the; /html/tigers/1998-01/msg00312.html (9,845 bytes)
8. RE: Here Comes the VIN Judge! (score: 1): Author: Bob Palmer <rpalmerbob@email.msn.com>; Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:56:10 -0800; Steve, et al., My thanks also for your posting of the pertinent California statutes. I had been thinking we needed a little lesson in California penal code. I've been a bit out of touch with the list; /html/tigers/1998-01/msg00313.html (11,670 bytes)
9. Re: Here Comes the VIN Judge! (score: 1): Author: Cool VT <CoolVT@aol.com>; Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:56:38 EST; Steve, I think you've got something there. Can you imagine someone who's had a previous problem with the DMV telling them that he just wanted to paint the car? I, personally, can't see the big motiva; /html/tigers/1998-01/msg00315.html (8,709 bytes)
10. Re: Here Comes the VIN Judge! (score: 1): Author: brockctella@juno.com (Brock C Tella); Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:52:03 -0800; Bob, I wonder what you're thinking. If someone takes an Alpine body to replace a Tiger body that is not salvageable and applies the new plate, the Tiger lives on and no fraud was committed. Hundreds; /html/tigers/1998-01/msg00320.html (9,014 bytes)
11. Re: Here Comes the VIN Judge! (score: 1): Author: Timothy Obrien <vbob@primenet.com>; Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:32:29 -0800 (PST); I can only imagine that Mr. Tella does not have enough e-mail coming into his computer. He must feel he needs more. Please do not respond to this as I don't need the volume that a post like this WILL; /html/tigers/1998-01/msg00321.html (9,967 bytes)
12. RE: Here Comes the VIN Judge! (score: 1): Author: "Spontelli, Ramon" <rs11@ElSegundoCA.NCR.COM>; Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:29:24 -0800; this as Imagine the splash this part would make over on the Alpine list: Ramon; /html/tigers/1998-01/msg00322.html (8,459 bytes)
13. RE: Here Comes the VIN Judge! (score: 1): Author: rootes1@best.com (Norman Miller); Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:33:21 -0800 (PST); I thought this was the Alpine List Norman C. Miller Rootes Group Depot "The International Registry Of Sunbeam Tigers" "The Book Of Norman, Volume I" "Tiger Press" "Web Page" <http://shell3.ba.best.co; /html/tigers/1998-01/msg00323.html (8,710 bytes)
14. Re: Here Comes the VIN Judge! (score: 1): Author: brockctella@juno.com (Brock C Tella); Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:19:01 -0800; Steve, I'm not trying to interprett the law, just my personal feeling of preserving the Marque. 72 Pantera-65 Tiger-96 Thunderbird 4.6 ________________________________________________________________; /html/tigers/1998-01/msg00324.html (8,529 bytes)
15. Re: Here Comes the VIN Judge! (score: 1): Author: Cool VT <CoolVT@aol.com>; Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:42:59 EST; I guess the question would be, "If and when the car is sold do you tell the purchaser that he is buying an Alpine body?" Mark L.; /html/tigers/1998-01/msg00328.html (7,836 bytes)
16. Re: Here Comes the VIN Judge! (score: 1): Author: Bob Palmer <rpalmer@ames.ucsd.edu>; Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:10:18; Yes, exactly!! And probably even when filling out the information sheet on your car for Tigers United, as well. It seems like quite a few years ago when I first became aware of this issue. It involv; /html/tigers/1998-01/msg00331.html (10,177 bytes)
17. Re: Here Comes the VIN Judge! (score: 1): Author: tiger technologies <tartanad@ix10.ix.netcom.com>; Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:58:16 +0000; /html/tigers/1998-01/msg00335.html (11,472 bytes)
18. Re: Here Comes the VIN Judge! (score: 1): Author: tiger technologies <tartanad@ix21.ix.netcom.com>; Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:59:38 +0000; comes to mind, however, regarding the popular vote. That is, who can vote? Only the official entrant? Or the rest of his entourage as well? Anyone who pays the price of admission? And shouldn't the; /html/tigers/1998-01/msg00336.html (11,897 bytes)

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