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1. State of the Onion speech (score: 1): Author: "Jack W. Drews" <vinttr4@geneseo.net>; Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 08:29:35 -0600; I am enthusiastic about everything that President Bush said in his speech last night. However, there is one subject that gives me pause for reflection -- the Hydrogen Powered Car initiative. Some thi; /html/fot/2003-01/msg00216.html (8,381 bytes)
2. Re: State of the Onion speech (score: 1): Author: Bd309@aol.com; Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:03:17 -0500; If the by-product of these future cars is water, will we ever have to wash our cars again? Will we have water faucets instead of tail pipes? Will this add to the Greenhouse Affect that our government; /html/fot/2003-01/msg00218.html (7,634 bytes)
3. RE: State of the Onion speech (score: 1): Author: "Randall Young" <Ryoung@navcomtech.com>; Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 07:01:14 -0800; Oil, just like always. There are some fundamental flaws in the Hydrogen car initiative, not least of which is where does all that hydrogen come from ? Unlike petroleum, free hydrogen does not occur n; /html/fot/2003-01/msg00219.html (8,566 bytes)
4. Re: State of the Onion speech (score: 1): Author: Joe Curry <Spitlist@gte.net>; Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 08:18:30 -0700; There is nothing to fear but fear itself. If you think Dubya is going to do anything to harm his believed oil industry, you are sadly mistaken. There will be plenty of good old gasoline for at least; /html/fot/2003-01/msg00220.html (9,313 bytes)
5. Re: State of the Onion speech (score: 1): Author: Joe Curry <Spitlist@gte.net>; Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 08:23:12 -0700; Maybe it was a freudian slip but the word "believed" should have been "beloved"! Damn spell checkers! Joe; /html/fot/2003-01/msg00221.html (8,199 bytes)
6. Re: State of the Onion speech (score: 1): Author: "Mordy Dunst/Gasket Works USA, LLC" <gasket.works@gte.net>; Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 07:34:18 -0800; Uncle J...you just so clever. --I also. --I am assuming that antifriction products will not be carbon based but, Hydrogen based... I sort of like that Idea. Lighter is better.. but, how do we get mul; /html/fot/2003-01/msg00222.html (10,883 bytes)
7. RE: State of the Onion speech (score: 1): Author: Bill Babcock <BillB@bnj.com>; Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 07:25:22 -0800; If we're really going to be serious about this... A hydrogen transportation economy is actually technically sound. The gasoline you burn in cars is NOT oil, it's petroleum based, a relatively small c; /html/fot/2003-01/msg00223.html (10,495 bytes)
8. Re: State of the Onion speech (score: 1): Author: "" <greenman62@hotmail.com>; Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 15:26:49 +0000; Yup... weight. Hydrogen is lighter than air... Right? Won't this effect handling? Heck cars and their occupants foating around in the atmosphere is something to really be worried about... especially; /html/fot/2003-01/msg00224.html (8,951 bytes)
9. RE: State of the Onion speech (score: 1): Author: "Brad Eells" <bradlnss@lightspeed.net>; Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 08:18:03 -0800; Why is W. wasting effort with Hydrogen. He should know that very soon Dr. Richard Daystrom will invent the matter/anti-matter warp drive engine... Personally, I look forward to installing this engine; /html/fot/2003-01/msg00225.html (8,640 bytes)
10. Re: State of the Onion speech (score: 1): Author: BillDentin@aol.com; Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 11:22:30 EST; Jack: Relax. You and I, at least, are too old to worry about this crap. Bill; /html/fot/2003-01/msg00226.html (9,393 bytes)
11. Re:State of the Onion speech (score: 1): Author: Jeff <jeffpc@mindspring.com>; Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:29:14 -0600; New fuels are an excellent idea, and some of the new engine designs are interesting. There is one company I have been following for years, that was founded by Harold Rosen (Brother of Compaq Founder; /html/fot/2003-01/msg00227.html (11,018 bytes)
12. RE: State of the Onion speech (score: 1): Author: "Randall Young" <Ryoung@navcomtech.com>; Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 08:34:21 -0800; Well, OK, if you call 46% a small fraction. Plus another 33% for heating oil, diesel and jet fuel. http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/infosheets/crudeproduction.htm In other words, petroleum is converted in; /html/fot/2003-01/msg00228.html (11,875 bytes)
13. Re: State of the Onion speech (score: 1): Author: Joe Curry <Spitlist@gte.net>; Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 09:34:26 -0700; I already have one of those engines in my Spit! It's called S20000! :) Joe (C); /html/fot/2003-01/msg00229.html (8,958 bytes)
14. RE: State of the Onion speech (score: 1): Author: Bill Babcock <BillB@bnj.com>; Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:19:11 -0800; Cool, a debate. If ANYONE in FOT objects to this we can take it off line. Say the word. Well, OK, if you call 46% a small fraction. Plus another 33% for heating oil, diesel and jet fuel. http://www.e; /html/fot/2003-01/msg00230.html (17,733 bytes)
15. Re: State of the Onion speech (score: 1): Author: BillDentin@aol.com; Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 13:31:25 EST; You kiddin? I don't want to miss a word. Bill Dentinger; /html/fot/2003-01/msg00231.html (8,288 bytes)
16. RE: State of the Onion speech (score: 1): Author: "Bill Bartlett" <billbartlett@homerebuilders.com>; Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 16:32:10 -0500; But will there be ample drinking water? Home Rebuilders Showroom has opened its doors on the weekend to make shopping easier for you. Our new Saturday hours are from 9 am to 1 pm. Stop by and select; /html/fot/2003-01/msg00235.html (10,450 bytes)
17. RE: State of the Onion speech (score: 1): Author: Irv Korey <emanteno@attglobal.net>; Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 16:28:42 -0600; I doubt it would be worse than any gasoline powered Pinto.; /html/fot/2003-01/msg00238.html (8,074 bytes)
18. Re: State of the Onion speech (score: 1): Author: Mark J Bradakis <mjb@autox.team.net>; Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 15:54:09 -0700 (MST); If ANYONE in FOT objects to this we can take it off line. A couple of guys did bail off the list shortly after this discussion started, we'll see if they come back. A while back I set up a list, the-; /html/fot/2003-01/msg00241.html (8,154 bytes)
19. State of the Onion speech (score: 1): Author: WEmery7451@aol.com; Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:06:34 EST; << And as far as the supposed problem we are trying to solve ... when do we get to grow wheat in Greenland again ? The planet is already far cooler than it was in the past ... there is evidence that; /html/fot/2003-01/msg00242.html (8,379 bytes)
20. RE: State of the Onion speech (score: 1): Author: Bill Babcock <BillB@bnj.com>; Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 16:44:22 -0800; Yeah, and they also recently aired a show about Polar Bears that said the ice is thinner now so the bears can't hunt for seals. I think the way to really determine which direction we are headed is to; /html/fot/2003-01/msg00244.html (9,651 bytes)

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