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1. The Classing Picture As A Whole (score: 1): Author: Scott Meyers <solo2@uswest.net>; Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:33:14 -0700; The SCCA system is by far one of the best systems around. It has most/many stock cars in a category where they can be competitive to some degree. With nine categories, there will be areas of signific; /html/autox/2000-07/msg01166.html (8,859 bytes)
2. Re: The Classing Picture As A Whole (score: 1): Author: "David Hawkins" <otgrouch@twosrus.com>; Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:49:22 -0500; Let me throw the first wrench here....ALL modifications? Are you proposing that stock cars have to run on OEM Tires? What about when a manufacturer uses more than one tire on a particular model? You; /html/autox/2000-07/msg01167.html (8,720 bytes)
3. RE: The Classing Picture As A Whole (score: 1): Author: "Richard Atkins" <buzz@indiana.net>; Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:04:30 -0500; I agree, we try to sell ourselves as having a spot for any car. It seems reasonable that somebody who has a stock "stock" car should not have to make adjustments, add aftermarket parts to be able to; /html/autox/2000-07/msg01168.html (10,056 bytes)
4. Re: The Classing Picture As A Whole (score: 1): Author: Scott Meyers <solo2@uswest.net>; Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:55:24 -0700; Could wait, huh? :-) I never mentioned tires, did I? Tires stay as is. I personally would favor a Street Tire class, but I can only duck so many wrenches at once...... :-) Everyone will have a favori; /html/autox/2000-07/msg01170.html (9,008 bytes)
5. RE: The Classing Picture As A Whole (score: 1): Author: "Alex Dresko" <adresko@3pointoh.com>; Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:37:56 -0400; If you're in a stock class, your car should remain STOCK! If you have to get new tires, that are in any way, shape, or form better than the oem tires, you move up a class. You can, however, get new t; /html/autox/2000-07/msg01173.html (10,248 bytes)
6. RE: The Classing Picture As A Whole (score: 1): Author: "Michael Bullis" <Mike@benchmarksales.net>; Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:13:30 -0700; <<Stock - Pure Stock. Eliminate all modifications currently allowed. Class pure stock? who would race here? i know our car was a TOTAL pig before making some cheap and allowable changes, i'm sure the; /html/autox/2000-07/msg01177.html (9,418 bytes)
7. Re: The Classing Picture As A Whole (score: 1): Author: "David Hawkins" <otgrouch@twosrus.com>; Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:24:19 -0500; <snip> You didn't specifically mention anything....so I assumed that ALL mods meant ALL mods. R compound tires are definitely a modification from stock. heh. Then you have to define 'Street Tire'. A; /html/autox/2000-07/msg01179.html (8,816 bytes)
8. Re: The Classing Picture As A Whole (score: 1): Author: "Jay Mitchell" <jemitchell@compuserve.com>; Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:27:01 -0500; allowed. Class That will make maintaining a Stock-legal car _much_more_expensive. Here are a handful of examples: 1. Exhaust systems. Stock is stock. You gotta go back to the dealer to replace your m; /html/autox/2000-07/msg01180.html (10,292 bytes)
9. Re: The Classing Picture As A Whole (score: 1): Author: William Loring <bloring@tirerack.com>; Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:30:35 -0600; If you're proposing that we use the UTQG (traction temperature and treadwear) ratings to say which tires would be allowed on a particular car as "stock", then I would point out that each tire manufa; /html/autox/2000-07/msg01183.html (10,280 bytes)
10. Re: The Classing Picture As A Whole (score: 1): Author: "David Hawkins" <otgrouch@twosrus.com>; Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:28:37 -0500; and What tire rating do you use? Speed rating? Treadwear? I don't think you can solve the RE71 issue without making tires open within specified bounds. It is almost impossible to dictate what tires; /html/autox/2000-07/msg01184.html (9,943 bytes)
11. Re: The Classing Picture As A Whole (score: 1): Author: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com; Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:03:06 -0400; Two great big killer-nasty problems here, and two minor ones. 1) As I mentioned in a post yesterday, the thing the Membership most wants out of a classing scheme is "fairness", which I define as "giv; /html/autox/2000-07/msg01197.html (12,005 bytes)
12. Re: The Classing Picture As A Whole (score: 1): Author: Ross Fortini <ross.fortini@excite.com>; Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:13:47 -0700 (PDT); [Apologies if this was mentioned previously in this thread--just rejoined the mailing list last week after a hiatus. If so, please ignore me publicly and flame me privately.] I've always been intrigu; /html/autox/2000-07/msg01205.html (10,612 bytes)
13. RE: The Classing Picture As A Whole (score: 1): Author: Jamie Sculerati <jamies@mrj.com>; Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:53:20 -0400 (EDT); Only if they're being advised by an inexperiencd or disgruntled driver. I think most of us agree that the most effective modifications are to the driver. Jamie '92 Prelude Si Speed Demon Racing http:; /html/autox/2000-07/msg01210.html (9,468 bytes)
14. Re: The Classing Picture As A Whole (score: 1): Author: RHendr6343@aol.com; Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:55:37 EDT; Well put as usual, DG, my feelings exactly. Sounds like a very reasonable point of view to this whole deal. Rick Hendricks 90 VW Corrado GS "I sure hope I can keep my stainless exhaust, RE71s, afterm; /html/autox/2000-07/msg01212.html (9,039 bytes)
15. RE: The Classing Picture As A Whole (score: 1): Author: "Eric Buckley" <ejbuckley@earthlink.net>; Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:25:04 -0500; gets changes I'm glad nobody told me that. I just kept racing my bone stock car (including tires) until I won an event. Then I figured I was ready to start changing parts. Every driver I talked to at; /html/autox/2000-07/msg01226.html (9,668 bytes)
16. Re: The Classing Picture As A Whole (score: 1): Author: Gail/Sid deLeon <deleon@sstar.com>; Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:12:02 -0500; Why is it that a lot of people running in stock class are not able to understand the meaning of the word STOCK.Sure there are 432 good reasons to modify your car. as in;It's faster/safer/more fun/dep; /html/autox/2000-07/msg01228.html (10,355 bytes)
17. Re: The Classing Picture As A Whole (score: 1): Author: Mari L Clements <mrndr2@juno.com>; Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:59:26 -0400; It's been said before, but one more time: 1) Cars break. The STS Saturn that broke a hub at the Petersburg Pro (which, like all our events, was held on a weekend when most dealerships parts departme; /html/autox/2000-07/msg01232.html (10,301 bytes)
18. Re: The Classing Picture As A Whole (score: 1): Author: Scott Meyers <solo2@uswest.net>; Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:49:39 -0700; You mean like the factory replacement Mazda RX-7 cats instead of aftermarket ones? That is the case in existing Stock right now. Look for impossible sounding reasons to not do this as you wish, the f; /html/autox/2000-07/msg01233.html (11,896 bytes)
19. Re: The Classing Picture As A Whole (score: 1): Author: Scott Meyers <solo2@uswest.net>; Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:56:49 -0700; Then the Street Mod classes would be the place for you, or others with otherwise uncompetitive cars. Damage? Interesting way to describe the current status. :-) Think about the progression. "Stock",; /html/autox/2000-07/msg01235.html (9,832 bytes)
20. Re: The Classing Picture As A Whole (score: 1): Author: "Mike Bullis" <mike@benchmarksales.net>; Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:41:52 -0700; otherwise uncompetitive cars. is a corvette even allowed in sm? yea, probably could have phrased that better... really though with all the hours and bucks people have spent getting cars tuned correc; /html/autox/2000-07/msg01243.html (9,195 bytes)

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