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41. Re: Tool for a loved one (score: 1): Author: Richard Beels <beels@technologist.com>; Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 23:37:02 -0500; Oh, don't worry, I have plenty of air tools.... ;-) Sometimes, it's just more Zen to spin them off by hand... <shrug> At 07:35 PM 11/24/99 , Art Pfenninger was inspired to say: Cheers!; /html/shop-talk/1999-11/msg00192.html (8,853 bytes)
42. Re: Tool for a loved one (score: 1): Author: Mike Frerichs <frerichs@tconl.com>; Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 00:28:13 -0600; I was told it was the reversing lever that was the subject of the lawsuit. I had a 3/8" Craftsman ratchet made before that time that had the lever hanging down that I liked so well. Something wore ou; /html/shop-talk/1999-11/msg00193.html (10,191 bytes)
43. Re: Tool for a loved one (score: 1): Author: Nick Brearley <nick@landform.u-net.com>; Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 09:39:24 +0000; The Snapon midget combination spanners have a nice Zen feel to them. I bought a set on offer off the truck with a view to working around batteries then found myself going to them first from the toolb; /html/shop-talk/1999-11/msg00194.html (9,271 bytes)
44. RE: Tool for a loved one (score: 1): Author: "Ken Gano" <triumphs@mcleodusa.net>; Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 07:35:50 -0600; The story of the law suit is true. I remember reading it in patents / copyright class in the late 70's. kg I was told it was the reversing lever that was the subject of the lawsuit. I had a 3/8" Craf; /html/shop-talk/1999-11/msg00196.html (10,615 bytes)
45. Re: Tool for a loved one (score: 1): Author: "John L. Viviani II" <geeno@mindspring.com>; Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 08:52:58 -0600; I think what has happen is Craftsman has set up lines for certain price points. The base stuff is okay for once in a while stuff. But their Pro-Line is similar to Snap-On (well maybe MAC), but you p; /html/shop-talk/1999-11/msg00198.html (9,373 bytes)
46. Re: Tool for a loved one (score: 1): Author: Richard Beels <beels@technologist.com>; Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 18:58:09 -0500; If breaking it is the goal, stick it into a vise and crank on it. For educational purposes only..... ;-) Regardless, it doesn't need to be broken to be returned to Sears.... At 01:28 AM 11/25/99 , Mi; /html/shop-talk/1999-11/msg00202.html (8,977 bytes)
47. Re: Tool for a loved one (score: 1): Author: Scott Hall <sch8489@garnet.acns.fsu.edu>; Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 12:31:19 -0500 (EST); I was wondering about this also as well. my brother has a full set of craftsman tools from about ten years ago. I have a smaller set from about six years ago. my brother's ratchets are different from; /html/shop-talk/1999-11/msg00212.html (10,334 bytes)
48. Re: Tool for a loved one (score: 1): Author: Art Pfenninger <ch155@freenet.buffalo.edu>; Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 13:32:31 -0500 (EST); Now that you mention it I think I found 12 point inside the B engine. So I guess I can't say I have never seen a 12 point nut or bolt! But I still stick to my original statement and that is throw out; /html/shop-talk/1999-11/msg00213.html (10,062 bytes)
49. Re: Tool for a loved one (score: 1): Author: Randall <randallyoung@earthlink.net>; Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:08:59 -0800; IMO Sears has had financial troubles several times over the last 30 years or so, and has responded by cheapening their products (without lowering prices to match), as well as indulging in outright fr; /html/shop-talk/1999-11/msg00216.html (9,219 bytes)
50. Re: Tool for a loved one (score: 1): Author: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams); Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 09:32:00 -0500; Sears don't *make* tools. They periodically put a contract out for low bidder. Quality continues to decline. Their power tools are even worse - hardly any two drills or saws are alike from year to y; /html/shop-talk/1999-11/msg00223.html (8,652 bytes)
51. Re: Tool for a loved one (score: 1): Author: "Aaron Bergman" <bergman@oldihc.org>; Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 18:11:11 -0600; If they contract their work out to different bidders, then wouldn't they have a set of guidelines that all tools must meet certain specificationsthat way they would always be the same no matter who; /html/shop-talk/1999-11/msg00227.html (9,336 bytes)
52. Re: Tool for a loved one (score: 1): Author: Roger Gibbs <rgibbs@pacbell.net>; Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 17:48:19 +0000; Yes, They would ask for bids based on a set of specifications. The proposals are then evaluated as to cost, perceived ability to perform, assessment of meeting specs, etc. It IS the same basic proces; /html/shop-talk/1999-11/msg00228.html (8,790 bytes)
53. Re: Tool for a loved one (score: 1): Author: Scott Hall <sch8489@garnet.acns.fsu.edu>; Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 22:13:11 -0500 (EST); ah, this would explain many things... the repeated changes to the tool lines, the worsening quality, and the pamphlet I got from them, showing all the places that 'craftsman' stuff was made "right he; /html/shop-talk/1999-11/msg00230.html (8,654 bytes)
54. Re: Tool for a loved one (score: 1): Author: BURL VIBERT <burl.vibert@goodyear.com>; Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 09:59:43 -0500; I don't think Sears manufactures anything themselves, I would imagine that Sears owns the dies for all their hand tools and simply contracts out the forging, (or whatever process is needed). I haven'; /html/shop-talk/1999-11/msg00231.html (8,925 bytes)
55. Re: Tool for a loved one (score: 1): Author: Scott Hall <sch8489@garnet.acns.fsu.edu>; Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 00:09:48 -0500 (EST); I know lots of the craftsman stuff is rebadged; the air tools are ir and cp, and the power tools are like you said. the compressors are devilbliss, and most of sears' kenmore line is someone else's,; /html/shop-talk/1999-11/msg00242.html (8,731 bytes)
56. Re: Tool for a loved one (score: 1): Author: "Tim Mullen" <Tim.Mullen@trw.com>; Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:56:17 -0800; As a side point; A few years back, I worked on a project installing ICBM's in missile silos (can you say Peacekeeper, a.k.a. "MX"?). As told to me by several trusted authorities on the project (I be; /html/shop-talk/1999-11/msg00248.html (8,713 bytes)

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