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1. Re: Vintage License Plates [cameras OT] (score: 1): Author: Max Heim <mvheim@studiolimage.com>; Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:56:01 -0800; I personally can't get too worked up about this "infringement of personal freedom"... if you don't run red lights, you won't get busted. But that's just me... maybe some people like to run red lights; /html/mgs/2003-10/msg00534.html (8,862 bytes)
2. RE: Vintage License Plates [cameras OT] (score: 1): Author: "Larry list account" <list@marketvalue.net>; Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 00:35:52 -0700; Max, they aren't just 'red light running cameras'. Around here most are speed traps. A van, equipped with a radar, a camera and a computer are parked along side the road. The radar detects a speeding; /html/mgs/2003-10/msg00536.html (9,442 bytes)
3. RE: Vintage License Plates [cameras OT] (score: 1): Author: "Gordie's Garage" <mg_garage@ameritech.net>; Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 05:54:40 -0500; I don't run red lights either, and it infuriates me that I constantly see others run them. The cameras, however, are not the solution. They are only profit making ventures and it has even been docume; /html/mgs/2003-10/msg00538.html (9,877 bytes)
4. Re: Vintage License Plates [cameras OT] (score: 1): Author: Stephen West-Fisher <steve@coastaldatasystems.com>; Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:56:18 -0500; Getting a bit far fetched with "taxation" don't you think? If you are not motoring illegaly, you don't get the ticket. And the psychology involved is that if you never know when you might get caught,; /html/mgs/2003-10/msg00539.html (8,476 bytes)
5. Re: Vintage License Plates [cameras OT] (score: 1): Author: "Paul M." <rowman22001@yahoo.com>; Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:10:44 -0800 (PST); Wrong. It's taxation. That's all. It has NOTHING whatsoever to do with safety, it has NOTHING whatsoever to do with enforcing realistic laws, and studies show that it has no positive effect whatsove; /html/mgs/2003-10/msg00545.html (8,416 bytes)
6. Re: Vintage License Plates [cameras OT] (score: 1): Author: Max Heim <mvheim@studiolimage.com>; Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:09:54 -0800; OK, good point, I hadn't heard of that kind of operation. Around here they are only at certain notorious intersections, and they are operated by the city. The private operation you describe is obviou; /html/mgs/2003-10/msg00552.html (9,302 bytes)
7. Re: Vintage License Plates [cameras OT] (score: 1): Author: "David Breneman" <idcb@airborne.com>; Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:56:29 -0800 (PST); Max Heim SEZ - The problem is that it's not just to catch red light runners. Running red lights and performing "California stops" at stop signs seem to be big hobbies around here. Those people burn m; /html/mgs/2003-10/msg00553.html (9,706 bytes)
8. Re: Vintage License Plates [cameras OT] (score: 1): Author: Charles & Peggy Robinson <ccrobins@ktc.com>; Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:46:37 -0600; So the city operates them? That doesn't prevent abuse and profiteering. It just means an abusing city doesn't have to split the take. CR they opportunity profit; /html/mgs/2003-10/msg00555.html (8,187 bytes)
9. Re: Vintage License Plates [cameras OT] (score: 1): Author: Max Heim <mvheim@studiolimage.com>; Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:22:59 -0800; Yeah, but at least it allows the possibility that the intent is law enforcement and public safety. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome; /html/mgs/2003-10/msg00557.html (8,595 bytes)
10. RE: Vintage License Plates [cameras OT] (score: 1): Author: Chuck Renner <crenner@dynalivery.com>; Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:56:43 -0600; I suppose you're happy to have the FBI snooping through your library records without a court order as well.... As has already been mentioned, the problem is that these systems are tweaked in order t; /html/mgs/2003-10/msg00567.html (8,625 bytes)
11. Re: Vintage License Plates [cameras OT] (score: 1): Author: Max Heim <mvheim@studiolimage.com>; Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:16:26 -0800; That was a totally irrelevant comment -- the red light cameras at least only take your photo if there is prima facie evidence of a violation. Look, I was unaware of all these revenue generating scams; /html/mgs/2003-10/msg00572.html (8,443 bytes)

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