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1. Welding vs Brazing (score: 1): Author: ardunbill@webtv.net; Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 08:46:36 -0500 (EST); Neil, a couple days ago you touched on something that interests me, the subject of brazing racing frames with nickle-silver-brazing rod. When is brazing preferable to welding, and what are the specif; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00258.html (8,916 bytes)
2. Re: Welding vs Brazing (score: 1): Author: "Michael L Obrien" <Michael_L_Obrien@raytheon.com>; Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 11:40:22 -0500; There have been quite a few postings on welding and fab. Since racecar and aircraft weld and fab are both somewhat related, some of you racers might want to check out the EAA (Experimental Aircraft A; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00265.html (9,241 bytes)
3. Re: Welding vs Brazing (score: 1): Author: Nt788@aol.com; Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 12:24:37 EST; << Reynolds 531 >> IS MILD STEEL! I would use 4130 on a long limber dragster welded by a pro. only! jack /// unsubscribe/change address requests to majordomo@autox.team.net or try /// http://www.team; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00274.html (7,952 bytes)
4. RE: Welding vs Brazing (score: 1): Author: "Albaugh, Neil" <albaugh_neil@ti.com>; Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 14:07:53 -0600; There's a wealth of mis-information floating around about "fillet brazing" (also called "braze welding") so I'll try to help straighten out some of this confusion. First, fillet brazing is distinctl; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00283.html (10,464 bytes)
5. Re: Welding vs Brazing (score: 1): Author: ardunbill@webtv.net; Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 15:48:15 -0500 (EST); Jack, you are the master fabricator, but perhaps there is some misconception here about the (sacred) Reynolds 531. Phil Irving, the immortal Vincent motorcycle designer, in his book "Motorcycle Engin; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00284.html (9,111 bytes)
6. RE: Welding vs Brazing (score: 1): Author: "Albaugh, Neil" <albaugh_neil@ti.com>; Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 15:01:50 -0600; I'll second that! The EAA is a really good source for information on high strength lightweight fabrication techniques and materials. They're a nice bunch of fellows, too. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ --O; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00286.html (9,510 bytes)
7. RE: Welding vs Brazing (score: 1): Author: ardunbill@webtv.net; Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 16:03:51 -0500 (EST); Neil, this is a really masterful overview of the subject and most of it reads just about the same as the discussion of "Sif-Bronze" bronze-welding in Phil Irving's book that I just cited in a note to; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00287.html (8,691 bytes)
8. RE: Welding vs Brazing (score: 1): Author: "Albaugh, Neil" <albaugh_neil@ti.com>; Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 15:12:16 -0600; Thanks, Bill. Make whatever use of it that you wish. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ Neil, this is a really masterful overview of the subject and most of it reads just about the same as the discussion of "S; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00288.html (9,212 bytes)
9. Re: Welding vs Brazing (score: 1): Author: Chris Harris <yesford@clear.net.nz>; Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 10:33:08 +1300; Virtually any and all alloy steels are available in New Zealand. Chris H.......................NZed /// unsubscribe/change address requests to majordomo@autox.team.net or try /// http://www.team.net; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00289.html (8,787 bytes)
10. Re: Welding vs Brazing (score: 1): Author: FastmetalBDF@aol.com; Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 16:46:50 EST; Bill, I always try to keep in mind that Brazing is akin to The two pieces are joined together, but they have NOT become one piece of metal . I cannot recall one weld of mine, on cars or anything, sin; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00290.html (10,420 bytes)
11. RE: Welding vs Brazing (score: 1): Author: "Russel Mack" <rtmack@concentric.net>; Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 21:37:14 -0600; the key to all those great English brazed Reynolds 531 MC frames (like the Rickman "Metisse") and the bicycle frames was that they used really close-fitting lugs at all the junctions. These lugs car; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00314.html (10,883 bytes)
12. Re: Welding vs Brazing (score: 1): Author: "Nafzger" <nafzger@vtc.net>; Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:46:49 -0700; Years ago the British sports cars( Lotus, Lola,etc.) were fabricated with low temperature nickel/silver rod and a torch. The rod is very strong (my memory says somewhere around 70,000 PSI.)and flows; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00315.html (10,962 bytes)
13. RE: Welding vs Brazing (score: 1): Author: "Albaugh, Neil" <albaugh_neil@ti.com>; Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 14:06:20 -0600; There's a wealth of mis-information floating around about "fillet brazing" (also called "braze welding") so I'll try to help straighten out some of this confusion. First, fillet brazing is distinctl; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00329.html (12,985 bytes)
14. RE: Welding vs Brazing (score: 1): Author: "Albaugh, Neil" <albaugh_neil@ti.com>; Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 18:16:29 -0600; Were your pieces that failed conventionaly brazed or fillet brazed? What type of joint? Materials, etc? Headers are probably a classic example of brazing (or even fillet brazing) misapplication. Fus; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00331.html (10,227 bytes)
15. RE: Welding vs Brazing (score: 1): Author: "Albaugh, Neil" <albaugh_neil@ti.com>; Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 18:27:13 -0600; That's called a "gas fluxer" or "jet fluxer" and most high-volume fillet brazing is done with one. They simply bubble the gas through a bottle of diluted flux so it spits out onto the work as you go; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00332.html (9,267 bytes)
16. Re: Welding vs Brazing (score: 1): Author: Nt788@aol.com; Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 09:42:11 EST; << I understand all the finest British racing motorcycle frames were made of 531, and I seem to recall that it was also used on a lot of high-class British bicycles, too. Bill >> I got my information; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00338.html (8,924 bytes)
17. Re: Welding vs Brazing (score: 1): Author: Nt788@aol.com; Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 09:49:40 EST; << Virtually any and all alloy steels are available in New Zealand. Chris H.......................NZed >> Come Chris What was the name of that guy who built Husky duplicates in England in the late '6; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00339.html (8,923 bytes)
18. Re: Welding vs Brazing (score: 1): Author: Nt788@aol.com; Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:03:17 EST; << Haven't we all seen plenty of brazed header to flange joints that failed on rods or race cars ...... just because it seemed easier than welding the different thicknesses together ? >> If you don't; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00340.html (9,196 bytes)
19. Re: Welding vs Brazing (score: 1): Author: Want1937hd@aol.com; Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:04:11 EST; Neil, Thanks for the detailed report. I printed it out and put in my info folder. For what it is worth my 1937 Harley has a factory brazed frame, and it looked fine when it came back from the sandbla; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00341.html (9,153 bytes)
20. Re: Welding vs Brazing (score: 1): Author: Nt788@aol.com; Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:47:20 EST; << Apparently, getting those good lugs made for whatever corner joint you designed was the real problem in brazed-frame fabrication. Without the lugs, there is hardly any strength, at all. Russ, #122; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00351.html (8,988 bytes)

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