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1. Re: Shop Manuals (score: 1): Author: Brian <bmc@snort.org>; Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 14:25:38 -0400; Uh, the "dirt track boys" that have claimer rules limit the claim to very specific parts. At Old Dominion Speedway (ODS), late model is limited to Carburetors. Only the top 5 competitors can claim, a; /html/autox/2004-05/msg00239.html (7,484 bytes)
2. Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: "Crider, James A." <JamesCrider@metaldyne.com>; Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 09:56:06 -0500; Regarding the proposed requirement for factory shop manuals for Prepared I'll grant that there are a number of older cars where the factory shop manuals are either no longer available unless you're w; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00000.html (10,898 bytes)
3. Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Mark Sirota <mark@sirota.org>; Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 11:31:01 -0500; There are two separate issues at hand. (1) The Prepared category used to have no defined required documentation rule, as the rule was oddly located in the opening to Section 13, and Prepared explicit; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00001.html (8,457 bytes)
4. Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Dick Rasmussen <rasmussend@mindspring.com>; Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 13:30:58 -0500; Some ideas: It might help to "define" in some way what actually needs to be "documented" in Prepared since a very large portion of what needs to be documented in other classes is either "free" or "al; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00006.html (9,484 bytes)
5. Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Matt Murray <mattm@optonline.net>; Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 13:44:45 -0500; FWIW, 1999 to 2004 a plain Jane Porsche 911 (996) are around $2,100.00 for the books, and the turbo has additional supplements. The OBD2 section is also additional. A question for those who have been; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00007.html (8,671 bytes)
6. RE: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: "Crider, James A." <JamesCrider@metaldyne.com>; Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 13:45:54 -0500; Agreed. Agreed -- if the protestee has the CD-ROM or fiche, the protestor's bond should cover a fiche reader or laptop rental (the latter of which I doubt will ever really be necessary as there are u; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00009.html (9,984 bytes)
7. RE: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: "Crider, James A." <JamesCrider@metaldyne.com>; Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 14:55:59 -0500; Yes. This has come up recently, I believe, and the PC found a local/nearby dealership that allowed or provided printouts of the applicable parts of the manual, or assisted in the disassembly and insp; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00011.html (12,339 bytes)
8. Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Smokerbros@aol.com; Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 16:26:37 EST; Depends on what is being protested. If someone is protesting suspension components in a Stock class, as a PC member I wouldn't dsq a competitor for not providing the OBD II supplement. In SP or Prepa; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00014.html (8,325 bytes)
9. Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Matt Murray <mattm@optonline.net>; Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 17:14:53 -0500; Thanks, I appreciate the view point. But if the OBD2 is not part of the normal service manual collection, wouldn't responsibility fall back on the protestor (not the protestee)? Matt Murray SEB or ma; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00017.html (8,991 bytes)
10. Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Dick Rasmussen <rasmussend@mindspring.com>; Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 19:01:02 -0500; FYI the OBDII Manual for my 1997 Mustang (which is about 4" inches thick and covers a bunch of 1997 Fords) wouldn't be of much use in any protest situation. About all it is potentially good for is id; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00023.html (9,648 bytes)
11. Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Smokerbros@aol.com; Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 19:08:12 -0500; You make a good point. Unfortunately, the wording in the S2RB predates the complicated situation we now have. Who determines "normal" service manual collection..? I think of the "service manual" as i; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00024.html (8,701 bytes)
12. Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Smokerbros@aol.com; Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 19:11:48 -0500; Another good point made. This might get into the realm of "diagnostic bond" (similar to "teardown bond") posted by the protestor to diagnose the OBD II system. Charlie; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00025.html (8,405 bytes)
13. Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Dick Rasmussen <rasmussend@mindspring.com>; Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 19:42:34 -0500; In regard to suspension spec's in factory shop manuals: Even when factory manuals are available for a reasonable price they won't necessarily include the relevant (for Stock autocrossing compliance d; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00026.html (10,841 bytes)
14. Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Matt Murray <mattm@optonline.net>; Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 20:16:24 -0500; I'm sure SCCA won't mind fronting the bill for that. :^) So Charlie, with those particulars how do you feel about it now? Mr. Sirota or Mr. Hollis? Matt Murray -- Original Message -- Porsches (and si; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00027.html (10,447 bytes)
15. Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Matt Murray <mattm@optonline.net>; Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 20:50:25 -0500; Geez (funny, speaking of computers, OBD2, and geek-like things, such as byron Short), we're gonna have to have a Cray in the MTTA building. Matt Murray "diagnostic bond" (similar to "teardown bond"); /html/autox/2004-03/msg00029.html (8,472 bytes)
16. Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Matt Murray <mattm@optonline.net>; Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 20:50:36 -0500; This is similar to BMW. The only source for spring info is the parts manual. That manual is not available *legally* :^) to the public. But when you go to look up a spring. it asks for does it have ai; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00030.html (9,944 bytes)
17. Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: "Steve Hoelscher" <stevehh@hiwaay.net>; Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 20:06:45 -0600; the complicated situation we now have. Who determines "normal" service manual collection..? I think of the "service manual" as including all publications required to repair or service the car, and t; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00031.html (10,649 bytes)
18. Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Mark Sirota <mark@sirota.org>; Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 22:06:16 -0500; As proposed, I'm not sure the rule would allow for this sort of deliberation by the PC. Kinda like the old minimum weight rule -- disqualified, no ifs, ands, or buts (common practice was to refer und; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00035.html (9,115 bytes)
19. Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Smokerbros@aol.com; Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 22:12:24 EST; I wouldn't count on it! Charlie; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00036.html (8,150 bytes)
20. Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Smokerbros@aol.com; Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 22:19:49 EST; My reference to suspension was in reference to the OBD II question. I have seen protests on stock suspensions solved by FSMs, too. If you supply your FSM and it doesn't have that info, burden of proo; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00037.html (8,922 bytes)

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