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1. [TR] problem gas? (score: 1): Author: "Peter Arakelian" <peterara@msn.com>; Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 11:47:43 -0700; I've had a problem last few outings. Car acts like the key is turned off. For a few seconds, then comes back, then goes off. Then is fine. Not on freeway, but around town. I've run into similar befor; /html/triumphs/2013-06/msg00129.html (9,381 bytes)
2. Re: [TR] problem gas? (score: 1): Author: WBEECH <wbeech@flash.net>; Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 14:01:35 -0500; Sounds like water in the gas. When you have drained from the bottom you are seeing it as water is heavier. Don't know how much is in your tank but I would drain it from the bottom to be sure I got it; /html/triumphs/2013-06/msg00131.html (10,793 bytes)
3. [TR] Problem gas? (score: 1): Author: "Rick" <chandler.rick@comcast.net>; Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 08:38:13 -0700; Peter, The bubbles you see in the gas are water bubbles. With a lot of water in the gas, you ll see long worms of water (2 ) often containing debris. This was a common spring-time problem for me with; /html/triumphs/2013-06/msg00147.html (10,308 bytes)
4. [TR] Problem Gas? (score: 1): Author: "Rick" <chandler.rick@comcast.net>; Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 13:21:40 -0700; Untreated ethanol-gasoline mixtures segregate over a few months. The gasoline phase is deprived of the ethanol, lowering its octane. The ethanol phase is hydroscopic, and in the presence of humid air; /html/triumphs/2013-06/msg00156.html (10,836 bytes)
5. Re: [TR] Problem Gas? (score: 1): Author: "spook01@comcast.net" <spook01@comcast.net>; Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 18:14:41 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1370992483; bh=fkKlrYiKcWjlkWhVPST6WmThk/W4j/MvuX94bCjzJIA=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=p6MVWmh82KWhbcNBKHUkB; Rick! It rains in Seattle????? No!! ;-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone Untreated ethanol-gasoline mixtures segregate over a few months. The gasoline phase is deprived of the ethanol, lowering it; /html/triumphs/2013-06/msg00160.html (10,263 bytes)
6. [TR] problem gas? (score: 1): Author: Bob Labuz <yellowtr@adelphia.net>; Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 10:03:50 -0400; The only engine I have trouble starting in the spring is the roto-tiller. I have to remove the air filter and spray gas in order to get it started. I then run it on 1/2 choke for about 5 minutes. The; /html/triumphs/2013-06/msg00170.html (9,856 bytes)
7. Re: [TR] problem gas? (score: 1): Author: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock@gmail.com>; Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 10:27:43 -0400; "Alcohol" is a general descriptor of a chemical class, not any particular molecule. Dragsters used methanol (a 1-carbon alcohol), and biofuels are normally ethanol (2-carbon). These alcohols have the; /html/triumphs/2013-06/msg00172.html (11,833 bytes)
8. Re: [TR] problem gas? (score: 1): Author: Dave1massey@cs.com; Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 11:38:38 -0400 (EDT); I've been told by folks in the industry that butanol also does not attack the rubber components in the fuel system the way ethanol does. But will it be economically viable? Ethanol is on the cusp. Fu; /html/triumphs/2013-06/msg00174.html (9,559 bytes)
9. Re: [TR] problem gas? (score: 1): Author: Jack Mc <McGaheyRx@aol.com>; Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 12:20:01 -0400; I don't want to turn this into a political discussion (and won't participate if it does) but I don't see how anything as heavily subsidized by the government as ethanol fuel production in this countr; /html/triumphs/2013-06/msg00175.html (11,090 bytes)
10. Re: [TR] problem gas? (score: 1): Author: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock@gmail.com>; Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 12:44:29 -0400; Dave, yes I'm told too (by a friend who's a CEO of a corn ethanol company) that biobutanol will be handled exactly like gasoline. We were having a drink the other day as my TR3B was parked on the str; /html/triumphs/2013-06/msg00176.html (11,457 bytes)
11. Re: [TR] problem gas? (score: 1): Author: Tony Drews <tony@tonydrews.com>; Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 12:29:47 -0500; It's true that Alcohol (Ethanol) does not have the "energy density" of gasoline, and if you have a fuel injected car you generally get somewhat worse mileage out of 10% ethanol fuel than out of strai; /html/triumphs/2013-06/msg00178.html (9,735 bytes)
12. Re: [TR] problem gas? (score: 1): Author: Dave1massey@cs.com; Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:27:57 -0400 (EDT); As if the petroleum industry isn't subsidized... My reference was in Energy sustainability. The energy put into making the ethanol is either a little more or a little less than the energy you get out; /html/triumphs/2013-06/msg00181.html (9,240 bytes)
13. Re: [TR] problem gas? (score: 1): Author: pethier@comcast.net; Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 20:41:41 +0000 (UTC); -- Original Message -- Study, Schmudy. If you can't run the plant on ethanol, it's a scam. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive; /html/triumphs/2013-06/msg00182.html (9,672 bytes)
14. Re: [TR] problem gas? (score: 1): Author: Dave1massey@cs.com; Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:43:44 -0400 (EDT); Butanol looks promising but I think his statement is a bit over optimistic. The wiki article specifies a 14.6:a A/F ratio for gasoline and 11.1:1 for Butanol. The car will run but it will be a bit le; /html/triumphs/2013-06/msg00183.html (10,275 bytes)
15. Re: [TR] problem gas? (score: 1): Author: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock@gmail.com>; Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:59:50 -0400; Yup, we're going to have to richen our mixtures. Maybe find some new needle setup, too, when butanol comes. Cellulosic ethanol (or butanol now, I guess) has been a biofuels dream for many years. Lots; /html/triumphs/2013-06/msg00185.html (12,529 bytes)
16. Re: [TR] problem gas? (score: 1): Author: Dave1massey@cs.com; Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 17:00:15 -0400 (EDT); Well, Phil, do they run these plants off of gasoline? Ethanol is a gasoline substitute not a coal or natural gas substitute. Actually, ethanol is mostly an oxygenating agent for smog reduction and do; /html/triumphs/2013-06/msg00186.html (9,142 bytes)
17. Re: [TR] problem gas? (score: 1): Author: "spook01@comcast.net" <spook01@comcast.net>; Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 17:07:57 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1371074879; bh=9QMK91uWqD95MqVZ0J+bxV3kNNcHdqNdu5aUBVWrhjg=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Osnl9WqfP6nRme9+EcyNd; Burn the food, drive your car while prices for food soar. Makes sense. Why not use wind or solar? They're eternally "on the cusp" of viability.... Why not use...gasp!.....the most energy dense stuff; /html/triumphs/2013-06/msg00188.html (9,465 bytes)

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