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Subject: Re: [6pack] 6pack Digest, Vol 64, Issue 17
From: Luis via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 10:09:15 -0500
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When I rebuilt mine 10 years ago with a kit from TRF I used one of those little 
packs of brake grease found at the FLAPs check out counter.  I use DOT5 in both 
systems with no problems since then. 

Lou
72 Pimento 

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>   1. Master Cylinder Rebuild (Robert Rochlin)
>   2. Re: Master Cylinder Rebuild (Robert Perry)
>   3. Re: Master Cylinder Rebuild (Richard Lindsay)
>   4. Re: Master Cylinder Rebuild (Robert Rochlin)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 07:27:52 -0400
> From: Robert Rochlin <rrochlin@comcast.net>
> To: list Triumph <triumphs@autox.team.net>, "6pack@autox.team.net"
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> Subject: [6pack] Master Cylinder Rebuild
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> I hope everyone is hanging in there and doing well in this time of 
> quarantine.  It down?t look like here in Massachusetts the stay at home order 
> will be  completely lifted for several of more weeks, but some business 
> slowly are beginning to be be allowed to reopen.
>    I?ve had a checkered history with master cylinders. In the past I?ve sent 
> m/c off to be rebuilt by reputable rebuilders only to have them 
> catastrophically fail soon after reinstallation.  I?m figuring that I can 
> improve on that record.  When I went to the Buckeye Triumph site to review 
> the rebuild process the article recommended red grease.  I don?t have any, 
> but I do have Volvo silicone breaks grease.  In the absence of red brake 
> grease can I just apply brake fluid as lubricant to do the rebuild or should 
> i bite the bullet and get the red brake grease.  About the only red grease I 
> could fine was on Amazon and it was pretty pricey, $16.00 plus $8.00 
> shipping. 
>    Any advice would be appreciated. 
>    Best,
>    Bob 
>    ?72 TR6
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 06:56:19 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
> From: Robert Perry <rgperry@earthlink.net>
> To: list Triumph <triumphs@autox.team.net>,  "6pack@autox.team.net"
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> Subject: Re: [6pack] Master Cylinder Rebuild
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> Robert,
> 
> I would just get high temp red grease tube for the grease gun.  They are only 
> around $5.  As far as brake fluid I would use DOT 5.0 brake fluid.  I went 20 
> years without rebuilding the brake and clutch master cylinders and wheel / 
> slave cylinders on my TR6.  The only reason that I had to rebuild/ replace 
> them was due to adding DOT 5.1 brake fluid to the DOT 5.0 brake fluid.  They 
> do not mix well and took some time to fail.  I remembered DOT 5 something at 
> the time of the purchase of the DOT 5.1.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Robert
> 
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Robert Rochlin via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>
>> Sent: May 17, 2020 6:27 AM
>> To: list Triumph <triumphs@autox.team.net>, "6pack@autox.team.net" 
>> <6pack@autox.team.net>
>> Subject: [6pack] Master Cylinder Rebuild
>> 
>> I hope everyone is hanging in there and doing well in this time of 
>> quarantine.  It down?t look like here in Massachusetts the stay at home 
>> order will be  completely lifted for several of more weeks, but some 
>> business slowly are beginning to be be allowed to reopen.
>>    I?ve had a checkered history with master cylinders. In the past I?ve sent 
>> m/c off to be rebuilt by reputable rebuilders only to have them 
>> catastrophically fail soon after reinstallation.  I?m figuring that I can 
>> improve on that record.  When I went to the Buckeye Triumph site to review 
>> the rebuild process the article recommended red grease.  I don?t have any, 
>> but I do have Volvo silicone breaks grease.  In the absence of red brake 
>> grease can I just apply brake fluid as lubricant to do the rebuild or should 
>> i bite the bullet and get the red brake grease.  About the only red grease I 
>> could fine was on Amazon and it was pretty pricey, $16.00 plus $8.00 
>> shipping. 
>>    Any advice would be appreciated. 
>>    Best,
>>    Bob 
>>    ?72 TR6
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 07:58:54 -0500
> From: Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay@gmail.com>
> To: Robert Rochlin <rrochlin@comcast.net>
> Cc: list Triumph <Triumphs@autox.team.net>, TR6 <6pack@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [6pack] Master Cylinder Rebuild
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> Hello Bob, *et al.*,
> 
>   Glad you're well. Here is south Texas we too are relaxing the
> stay-at-home order and the older people (like me) are beginning to venture
> out, if still maintaining safe separation. The 'younglings' seem to think
> an *All Clear* has been sounded and they're back face to face. I wish them
> luck.
> 
>   I have had two, fresh from the box,  M/Cs fail then a third, working
> fine. I don't wish to directly name and disparage the vendor since they are
> always quite willing to make things right, but their name does grow on the
> 'north side of the tree'. The question I ponder and why I am writing is to
> ask is: How did your M/Cs fail?
>   In one of my unit's failures, fresh from the box, the front brake
> circuit worked fine (that's the one closer to the booster) but the rear
> brake circuit would flow no fluid. The second unit would flow no fluid
> through either circuit! The third M/C worked perfectly and still works
> great today!
> 
>   Did I get two poorly or incorrectly rebuilt cylinders? Someone in China
> just make mistakes? Did I do something wrong? Thus I ask: How did your M/C
> "fail catastrophically?"
> 
> -rick
> 
>> On Sun, May 17, 2020, 6:38 AM Robert Rochlin via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I hope everyone is hanging in there and doing well in this time of
>> quarantine.  It down?t look like here in Massachusetts the stay at home
>> order will be  completely lifted for several of more weeks, but some
>> business slowly are beginning to be be allowed to reopen.
>>        I?ve had a checkered history with master cylinders. In the past
>> I?ve sent m/c off to be rebuilt by reputable rebuilders only to have them
>> catastrophically fail soon after reinstallation.  I?m figuring that I can
>> improve on that record.  When I went to the Buckeye Triumph site to review
>> the rebuild process the article recommended red grease.  I don?t have any,
>> but I do have Volvo silicone breaks grease.  In the absence of red brake
>> grease can I just apply brake fluid as lubricant to do the rebuild or
>> should i bite the bullet and get the red brake grease.  About the only red
>> grease I could fine was on Amazon and it was pretty pricey, $16.00 plus
>> $8.00 shipping.
>>        Any advice would be appreciated.
>>        Best,
>>        Bob
>>        ?72 TR6
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> Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 09:44:02 -0400
> From: Robert Rochlin <rrochlin@comcast.net>
> To: Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay@gmail.com>
> Cc: list Triumph <Triumphs@autox.team.net>, "6pack@autox.team.net"
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> Subject: Re: [6pack] Master Cylinder Rebuild
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> Hi Richard,
>    I sent my m/c off to a reputable (I thought ) rebuilder for a complete 
> rebuild and installed it back installed it in the TR6.  As I recall it worked 
> fine for a short time and then on day I was puling out of the garage and the 
> brakes totally failed.  The TR6 rolled int my P/U truck dented the door, and 
> pushed in the front o the Tr6 hood. A very expensive afternoon. I sent the 
> m/c back to the rebuilder as I had time to kill while the body shop fixed the 
> TR6.  They rebuilt the m/c again gratis and I reinstalled it.  After about 8 
> months the m/c started to fail again, but slowly? I replaced it with a new 
> Girling and it has gone several seasons working fine but now I?m getting the 
> slow sinking pedal. Before replacing it again I am going to replace the seals 
> myself.
>      Although I?ve had good luck with several rebuilt components including 
> starters, carburetors, shocks, and distributers,  I?ll never send a master 
> cylinder to a rebuilder again.
>    Best,
>    Bob
> 
>> On May 17, 2020, at 8:58 AM, Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Bob, et al.,
>> 
>>   Glad you're well. Here is south Texas we too are relaxing the stay-at-home 
>> order and the older people (like me) are beginning to venture out, if still 
>> maintaining safe separation. The 'younglings' seem to think an All Clear has 
>> been sounded and they're back face to face. I wish them luck.
>> 
>>   I have had two, fresh from the box,  M/Cs fail then a third, working fine. 
>> I don't wish to directly name and disparage the vendor since they are always 
>> quite willing to make things right, but their name does grow on the 'north 
>> side of the tree'. The question I ponder and why I am writing is to ask is: 
>> How did your M/Cs fail?
>>   In one of my unit's failures, fresh from the box, the front brake circuit 
>> worked fine (that's the one closer to the booster) but the rear brake 
>> circuit would flow no fluid. The second unit would flow no fluid through 
>> either circuit! The third M/C worked perfectly and still works great today!
>> 
>>   Did I get two poorly or incorrectly rebuilt cylinders? Someone in China 
>> just make mistakes? Did I do something wrong? Thus I ask: How did your M/C 
>> "fail catastrophically?"
>> 
>> -rick
>> 
>> On Sun, May 17, 2020, 6:38 AM Robert Rochlin via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net 
>> <mailto:6pack@autox.team.net>> wrote:
>> I hope everyone is hanging in there and doing well in this time of 
>> quarantine.  It down?t look like here in Massachusetts the stay at home 
>> order will be  completely lifted for several of more weeks, but some 
>> business slowly are beginning to be be allowed to reopen.
>>        I?ve had a checkered history with master cylinders. In the past I?ve 
>> sent m/c off to be rebuilt by reputable rebuilders only to have them 
>> catastrophically fail soon after reinstallation.  I?m figuring that I can 
>> improve on that record.  When I went to the Buckeye Triumph site to review 
>> the rebuild process the article recommended red grease.  I don?t have any, 
>> but I do have Volvo silicone breaks grease.  In the absence of red brake 
>> grease can I just apply brake fluid as lubricant to do the rebuild or should 
>> i bite the bullet and get the red brake grease.  About the only red grease I 
>> could fine was on Amazon and it was pretty pricey, $16.00 plus $8.00 
>> shipping. 
>>        Any advice would be appreciated. 
>>        Best,
>>        Bob 
>>        ?72 TR6
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