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If your hazards are working, then it sure seems like it could be your turn
signal switch on the column.
Tom
'69 TR6
'63 TR4
On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 11:53 AM rmf3860 rmf3860 <bobfabie@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you all for your help and suggestions.
> I'm frustrated and a bit overwhelmed at trying to diagnose/fix the non
> functioning turn signals - the ONLY electrical thing that does not work.
> Everything else works: - headlights, parking lights, back-up lighst, 4 wa=
y
> hazards (needed new flasher), brake lights, dash lights, heater, wiper an=
d
> washer, trunk light - everything works.
>
> What I know for sure is that neither of the two wires at the turn signal
> flasher are getting voltage. I'm not sure what to do next.
>
> Thanks
> Bob Fabie
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 11:16 AM im sloane <im_sloane@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Electrical issues can be frustratingly fun. That hazard switch is a
>> bugger. I may be restating the obvious, but just in case...(I believe I=
'm
>> reading the schematic correctly, but someone will correct me if not.) 1=
2V
>> has to come in from the hazard flasher, already flashing, on the LG/K
>> (light green / pink stripe) wire, and when the switch is pulled out, it
>> sends 12V to the Green/Red to flash the left-side bulbs and also to the
>> Green/White to flash the right-side bulbs. This action also removes the =
12V
>> from being sent from the Green wire thru to the LG/S (light green/slate)
>> wire which connects to the steering column directional switch. Thus, whe=
n
>> you have the hazard pulled out, the turn signal circuit has no power,
>> causing no problem if you have the turn signal switch up or down.
>>
>> The hazards are on the Purple (always on) circuit. The turn signals are
>> on the Green (on with the key switch) circuit.
>>
>> When the switch is pushed in, the 12V from Green is passed out the LG/S
>> to the Turn Signal Flasher, then to the steering column turn signal swit=
ch
>> and then down either the Green/Red side or Green/White side.
>>
>> So, two totally different things going on in this one little bugger of a
>> switch. For the hazards to work, you need voltage getting to the hazard
>> flasher on the purple wire, and making it to the switch on the
>> light-green/pink wire. This blinking juice must make it thru the switch =
to
>> both the G/R side and G/W side. For the signals to work, voltage must en=
ter
>> thru the Green wire and exit the Light-green/Slate wire, making it thru =
the
>> flasher to the column switch and down the respective G/R or G/W side.
>>
>> Easy huh? On my brother's 73, I've had that little bugger completely
>> disassembled, soldered wires, cleaned brass contacts, but eventually onl=
y a
>> new switch fixed it. It would work for 3 weeks and then nothing again.
>> Turn signals always worked. It was the hazard that always went out.
>>
>> A car with turn signals working only on one side sounds like the steerin=
g
>> column switch to me. It could be the ground at the bulbs, but strange th=
at
>> front and rear on one side would have the problem, which points me to th=
e
>> turn signal switch.
>>
>> Sloane
>> 69-Six
>> 72-Spit
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* 6pack <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of DAVID MASSEY <
>> dave1massey@cs.com>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 29, 2022 1:38 PM
>> *To:* bobfabie@gmail.com <bobfabie@gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [6pack] Two Issues
>>
>> OK. No turn signals at all may be the hazard switch. The hazard switch
>> disconnects the turn signal flasher. If those contacts are dodgy the tu=
rn
>> signals won't work. If the contacts for the right side are dodgy they
>> won't work in the hazard mode. I'd start there.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rmf3860 rmf3860 <bobfabie@gmail.com>
>> To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
>> Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Fri, Jan 28, 2022 6:11 pm
>> Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues
>>
>> Dave,
>>
>> Thank you for taking the time to respond. As you suggested, I metered ou=
t
>> the green wires and found the one that was producing 12 volts. When I
>> connected it to the one of the wires in the harness connected to the tra=
ns
>> back up lights, THEY WORKED!
>>
>> The two remaining issuers are: no turn signals, period. Hazards only
>> flash on he driver=E2=80=99s side. (Earlier I stated that I only had tur=
n signals
>> on the drivers side, but I was mistaken). A new turn signal module and
>> hazard module should arrive this weekend. Please share any other thought=
s
>> as to the cause(s) of these issues.
>>
>> Thanks again for your help.
>>
>> Bob Fabie
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 7:53 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com> wrote:
>>
>> Here is a screen shot of the wiring to the transmission From Dan Master'=
s
>> handy wiring diagrams. As you can see, there is a green wire (fused 12
>> volts) to the switch and a Green/Brown wire which feeds power from the
>> switch to the lights. The Green wire should be hot anytime the key is o=
n.
>> The fuse that feeds it also feeds power to the heater fan, wipers, gauge=
s,
>> turn signals so if they work you are probably good.
>>
>> Turn signals: are both lights not working or is it just one? If one bul=
b
>> is not lighting up the other bulb will not draw enough current to cause =
the
>> flasher to flash.
>>
>> On the other hand, it might just be the bulbs or bulb sockets. The
>> sockets are notoriously unreliable, especially when they get old. The
>> ground connection is the usual suspect. Start there. If you have a vol=
t
>> meter check for voltage on the wires where they plug onto the sockets.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rmf3860 rmf3860 <bobfabie@gmail.com>
>> To: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2022 9:09 pm
>> Subject: [6pack] Two Issues
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> As you may know from my earlier post, by TR6 is alive and running
>> beautifully following an extensive engine rebuild that ended up taking a
>> few years, rather than the few months I had envisioned. Life and other
>> important things interfered. Imagine that=E2=80=A6
>>
>> I=E2=80=99m now finishing up the final details and have encountered two =
issues,
>> probably unrelated, that I need your help in diagnosing.
>>
>> First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn=E2=80=
=99t work
>> at all.
>>
>> Second: The back-up lights don=E2=80=99t work. I=E2=80=99ve installed a =
new back up light
>> harness. I=E2=80=99ve tried to study the wiring diagram but can=E2=80=99=
t quite figure out
>> how the 3 wires connect to the main harness=E2=80=99 3 bullet connectors=
in the
>> passenger foot well area. I can see that two of the new harness wires ar=
e
>> solid green and the other has a ?red? thread. The main harness wires are
>> almost impossible to discern which are solid and which has a different
>> color thread.
>>
>> Can anyone help me sort out these issues?
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Bob Fabie
>> Fredericksburg, VA
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">If your hazards are working, then it sure seems like it co=
uld be your=C2=A0turn signal switch on the column.<div><br></div><div>Tom</=
div><div>'69 TR6</div><div>'63 TR4</div></div><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 11:5=
3 AM rmf3860 rmf3860 <<a href=3D"mailto:bobfabie@gmail.com";>bobfabie@gma=
il.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left=
:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Thank you all for your help and suggestions.</d=
iv><div>I'm frustrated and a bit overwhelmed at trying to diagnose/fix =
the non functioning turn signals - the ONLY electrical thing that does not =
work. Everything else works: - headlights, parking lights, back-up lighst, =
4 way hazards (needed new flasher), brake lights, dash lights, heater, wipe=
r and washer, trunk light - everything works. <br></div><div><br></div><div=
>What I know for sure is that neither of the two wires at the turn signal f=
lasher are getting voltage. I'm not sure what to do next.</div><div><br=
></div><div>Thanks</div><div>Bob Fabie</div><div><br></div></div><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 1, 2=
022 at 11:16 AM im sloane <<a href=3D"mailto:im_sloane@hotmail.com"; targ=
et=3D"_blank">im_sloane@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Electrical issues can be frustratingly fun. That hazard switch is a bugger.=
=C2=A0 I may be restating the obvious, but just in case...(I believe I'=
m reading the schematic correctly, but someone will correct me if not.)=C2=
=A0 12V has to come in from the hazard flasher,
already flashing, on the LG/K (light green / pink stripe) wire, and when t=
he switch is pulled out, it sends 12V to the Green/Red to flash the left-si=
de bulbs and also to the Green/White to flash the right-side bulbs. This ac=
tion also removes the 12V from being
sent from the Green wire thru to the LG/S (light green/slate) wire which c=
onnects to the steering column directional switch. Thus, when you have the =
hazard pulled out, the turn signal circuit has no power, causing no problem=
if you have the turn signal switch
up or down.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
The hazards are on the Purple (always on) circuit. The turn signals are on =
the Green (on with the key switch) circuit.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
When the switch is pushed in, the 12V from Green is passed out the LG/S to =
the Turn Signal Flasher, then to the steering column turn signal switch and=
then down either the Green/Red side or Green/White side.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
So, two totally different things going on in this one little bugger of a sw=
itch. For the hazards to work, you need voltage getting to the hazard flash=
er on the purple wire, and making it to the switch on the light-green/pink =
wire. This blinking juice must make
it thru the switch to both the G/R side and G/W side. For the signals to w=
ork, voltage must enter thru the Green wire and exit the Light-green/Slate =
wire, making it thru the flasher to the column switch and down the respecti=
ve G/R or G/W side.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Easy huh? On my brother's 73, I've had that little bugger completel=
y disassembled, soldered wires, cleaned brass contacts, but eventually only=
a new switch fixed it. It would work for 3 weeks and then nothing again.=
=C2=A0 Turn signals always worked. It was the hazard
that always went out.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
A car with turn signals working only on one side sounds like the steering c=
olumn switch to me. It could be the ground at the bulbs, but strange that f=
ront and rear on one side would have the problem, which points me to the tu=
rn signal switch.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Sloane=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
69-Six</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
72-Spit</div>
<div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_1840795615986119880gmail-m_-796621804889190390appendonse=
nd"></div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%">
<div id=3D"gmail-m_1840795615986119880gmail-m_-796621804889190390divRplyFwd=
Msg" dir=3D"ltr"><font style=3D"font-size:11pt" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif=
" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> 6pack <<a href=3D"mailto:6pack-bounces@=
autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">6pack-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> on b=
ehalf of DAVID MASSEY <<a href=3D"mailto:dave1massey@cs.com"; target=3D"_=
blank">dave1massey@cs.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 29, 2022 1:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:bobfabie@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">bobfabie=
@gmail.com</a> <<a href=3D"mailto:bobfabie@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">=
bobfabie@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">6pack@=
autox.team.net</a> <<a href=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_b=
lank">6pack@autox.team.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [6pack] Two Issues</font>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</div>
<div>
<div style=3D"color:black;font:12pt Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">
<div><font size=3D"3">OK.=C2=A0 No turn signals at all may be the hazard sw=
itch.=C2=A0 The hazard switch disconnects the turn signal flasher.=C2=A0 If=
those contacts are dodgy the turn signals won't work.=C2=A0 If the con=
tacts for the right side are dodgy they won't work in the
hazard mode.=C2=A0 I'd start there.</font><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><font=
size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: rmf3860 rmf3860 <<a href=3D"mailto:bobfabie@gmail.com"; target=3D"_=
blank">bobfabie@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: DAVID MASSEY <<a href=3D"mailto:dave1massey@cs.com"; target=3D"_blank=
">dave1massey@cs.com</a>><br>
Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">6pack@autox.t=
eam.net</a> <<a href=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">6=
pack@autox.team.net</a>><br>
Sent: Fri, Jan 28, 2022 6:11 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues<br>
<br>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_1840795615986119880gmail-m_-796621804889190390x_yiv22149=
82056">
<div>
<div>Dave,</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Thank you for taking the time to respond. As you suggested, I metered =
out the green wires and found the one that was producing 12 volts. When I c=
onnected it to the one of the wires in the harness connected to the trans b=
ack up lights, THEY WORKED!</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>The two remaining issuers are: no turn signals, period. Hazards only f=
lash on he driver=E2=80=99s side. (Earlier I stated that I only had turn si=
gnals on the drivers side, but I was mistaken). A new turn signal module an=
d hazard module should arrive this weekend.
Please share any other thoughts as to the cause(s) of these issues.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Thanks again for your help.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Bob Fabie</div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_1840795615986119880gmail-m_-796621804889190390x_yiv22149=
82056yqt03439">
<div><br clear=3D"none">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 7:53 AM DAVID MASSEY <<a rel=3D=
"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:dave1massey@cs=
.com" target=3D"_blank">dave1massey@cs.com</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"=
>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"color:black;font:12pt Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">
<div><img alt=3D""></div>
<div><font size=3D"3">Here is a screen shot of the wiring to the transmissi=
on From Dan Master's handy wiring diagrams.=C2=A0 As you can see, there=
is a green wire (fused 12 volts) to the switch and a Green/Brown wire whic=
h feeds power from the switch to the lights.=C2=A0
The Green wire should be hot anytime the key is on.=C2=A0 The fuse that fe=
eds it also feeds power to the heater fan, wipers, gauges, turn signals so =
if they work you are probably good.</font></div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div><font size=3D"3">Turn signals: are both lights not working or is it ju=
st one?=C2=A0 If one bulb is not lighting up the other bulb will not draw e=
nough current to cause the flasher to flash.</font></div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div><font size=3D"3">On the other hand, it might just be the bulbs or bulb=
sockets.=C2=A0 The sockets are notoriously unreliable, especially when the=
y get old.=C2=A0 The ground connection is the usual suspect.=C2=A0 Start th=
ere.=C2=A0 If you have a volt meter check for voltage
on the wires where they plug onto the sockets.</font><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><font=
size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
From: rmf3860 rmf3860 <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"=
rect" href=3D"mailto:bobfabie@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">bobfabie@gmail.c=
om</a>><br clear=3D"none">
To: <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:6=
pack@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">
6pack@autox.team.net</a> <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=
=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">6pack@auto=
x.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"none">
Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2022 9:09 pm<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: [6pack] Two Issues<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
</font></div>
</div>
<div style=3D"color:black;font:12pt Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><font=
size=3D"2"></font>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_1840795615986119880gmail-m_-796621804889190390x_yiv22149=
82056m_-4817526784323085801yiv3079743941">Hello All,
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>As you may know from my earlier post, by TR6 is alive and running beau=
tifully following an extensive engine rebuild that ended up taking a few ye=
ars, rather than the few months I had envisioned. Life and other important =
things interfered. Imagine that=E2=80=A6</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>I=E2=80=99m now finishing up the final details and have encountered tw=
o issues, probably unrelated, that I need your help in diagnosing.=C2=A0</d=
iv>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn=E2=80=
=99t work at all.=C2=A0</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Second: The back-up lights don=E2=80=99t work. I=E2=80=99ve installed =
a new back up light harness. I=E2=80=99ve tried to study the wiring diagram=
but can=E2=80=99t quite figure out how the 3 wires connect to the main har=
ness=E2=80=99 3 bullet connectors in the passenger foot well area. I can
see that two of the new harness wires are solid green and the other has a =
?red? thread. The main harness wires are almost impossible to discern which=
are solid and which has a different color thread.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Can anyone help me sort out these issues?</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Thanks.</div>
<div>Bob Fabie</div>
<div>Fredericksburg, VA</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
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