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RE: flywheel bolt lube?

To: "'matt matthews'" <mattspit@worldnet.att.net>,
Subject: RE: flywheel bolt lube?
From: Bill Babcock <BillB@bnj.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:20:10 -0700
If you can twist the head of an ARP bolt with any rational torque you're a
better man than I

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-fot@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-fot@autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of matt matthews
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 2:02 PM
To: Joe Curry; 'EDWARD BARNARD'; fot@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: flywheel bolt lube?


I can't seem to find my sheets right now but the answer to torqueing with
locktite can be obtatianed by asking locktite.

> From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist@cox.net>
> Reply-To: "Joe Curry" <spitlist@cox.net>
> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:24:39 -0700
> To: "'EDWARD BARNARD'" <edwardbarnard@prodigy.net>, 
> <fot@autox.team.net>
> Subject: RE: flywheel bolt lube?
> 
> In lieu of knowing the correct spec for ARP bolts while using locktite 
> instead of their lubricant, I would think that the locktite would 
> accomplish sufficient resistance to the bolts backing off rather than 
> risking twisting off the heads trying to over torque the bolts to an 
> unconfirmed higher rating.
> 
> 
> 
> But in the end, there is no substitute for knowing the correct specs 
> before doing any tightening.
> 
> 
> 
> Joe (C)
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: EDWARD BARNARD [mailto:edwardbarnard@prodigy.net]
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 4:14 PM
> To: Joe Curry; fot@autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: flywheel bolt lube?
> 
> 
> 
> Joe: I agree with you on all but your last comment.The way a bolt 
> holds in place is by torqueing it to the point that the threads 
> distort and hold the bolt in tension. A harder bolt will need to be 
> torqued to a higher point before the threads distort. Torqueing to the 
> normal spec is actually worst than using the original bolts because 
> the hardened bolt will not be held in tension. I have heard different 
> figures ranging from 10 to 25% greater torque. Don't get me lying. I 
> bet Mike Porter knows the figure. Thanks - Ed
> 
> Joe Curry <spitlist@cox.net> wrote:
> 
> My understanding is that using ARP fasteners you have 2 things working 
> for you that cause different settings.
> 
> 1. The fasteners are stronger and therefore will take higher torque 
> settings. 2. It is highly recommended that you use the ARP thread 
> compound that they provide. This is supposed to offer less resistance 
> to the threads and the mating surfaces.
> 
> If you use Locktite instead of the ARP thread compound, everything 
> above is out the window. I agree that one should use locktite on the 
> flywheel bolts but can't say what torque settings to use. My guess 
> would be to use the recommended book settings and you will probably be 
> OK.
> 
> Joe (C)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-fot@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-fot@autox.team.net] On 
> Behalf Of Rocky Entriken
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 1:08 PM
> To: Bill Babcock; MJSUKEY@cs.com; fot@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: flywheel bolt lube?
> 
> Related question---
> 
> I've always assumed that torque specs using Loctite were the same as 
> the standard torque specs in the book.
> 
> But using ARP I use different specs, usually higher.
> 
> True?
> 
> The only place I've used ARP so far is rod bolts. And then it was 
> because my engine guy told me to -- and he gave me the torque specs.
> 
> Also, ARP lubricates the bolts going in. Does it also have Loctite 
> properties?
> 
> --Rocky

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