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From: Michael Porter
To: John Macartney
Cc: Bill Babcock ; fot@autox.team.net ; bdischer@blakedischer.com
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 6:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] VTR & FoT
John Macartney wrote:
Bill Babcock wrote:
You wrote the email I thought of writing but decided not to. Personally,
the only clubs I really want to belong to are the ones that have a bar, a
restaurant (good one), a pool table and a library (in my case that's the
Arlington Club, a truly great establishment here in Portland), and the ones
like the FOT, where no twinkie with a claptrap P.O.S. excuse for a LBC gets up
at every meeting and rants about parliamentary procedure and whether or not
they have a quorum to decide on tuna fish sandwiches for the picnic.
Hey, Bill - we've got twinkies like that in the UK too! I refer to them as
paid up members of "The Chipping Sodbury Dynamo and Starter Motor Appreciation
Society"
FOT part of VTR (or any other "real" organization)--perish the thought.
Well, it's come to my notice over the years via this list that the VTR
isn't always the most popular with certain individuals, and in a democracy
everyone should be able to speak their mind. However as I don't want to get
involved in the whys or wherefores, I'll try to keep foot out of mouth. If FoT
is happy on its own then fine, if FoT feels association with a national or
local club is desirable, that's fine as well. In the UK, the Triumph racing
fraternity usually belong to one of two national clubs (Triumph Sports Six
and/or TR Register) but because that's the way we do it here, doesn't mean
North America should copy.
Perhaps its time for me to go into the fallout shelter.......
Jonmac
Ultimately, the question is one of value added or lost by such an
association. FoT is, by nature, very _ad hoc_, while the VTR is dominated by
rules and a governing body.
That alone will grate on some. Right now, one can be a member of one or
the other, or both, without either group interfering with the other, and any
cooperation between the two is entirely voluntary. That seems to me to be the
ideal set of circumstances.
Cheers.
Michael Porter
Roswell, NM
-----------------------------
As both an FOT and VTR member, I say the current relationship between FOT
and VTR is just fine. Each addresses a different set of objectives and goals.
I was VTR president for 8 years and I think VTR, as a club, does a great
job doing what it does. So does FOT. The trouble with just the concept of a
formal affiliation is that it usually ends up looking like one entity is then
subservient to the other.....and I don't think FOT or VTR wants that.
Just my 2 pence.
Cheers,
Bill Sohl
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<DIV
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<A title=mdporter@dfn.com href="mailto:mdporter@dfn.com";>Michael Porter</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=standardtriumph@btinternet.com
href="mailto:standardtriumph@btinternet.com";>John Macartney</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=Billb@bnj.com
href="mailto:Billb@bnj.com";>Bill Babcock</A> ; <A title=fot@autox.team.net
href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</A> ; <A
title=bdischer@blakedischer.com
href="mailto:bdischer@blakedischer.com";>bdischer@blakedischer.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 25, 2008 6:15
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] VTR & FoT</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>John Macartney wrote:
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<DIV>Bill Babcock wrote:</DIV>
<DIV>You wrote the email I thought of writing but decided not to.
Personally, the only clubs I really want to belong to are the ones that
have
a bar, a restaurant (good one), a pool table and a library (in my case
that's the Arlington Club, a truly great establishment here in
Portland), and the ones like the FOT, where no twinkie with a claptrap
P.O.S. excuse for a LBC gets up at every meeting and rants
about parliamentary procedure and whether or not they have a
quorum to decide on tuna fish sandwiches for the picnic. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Hey, Bill - we've got twinkies like that in the UK
too! I refer to them as paid up members of "The Chipping Sodbury Dynamo and
Starter Motor Appreciation Society" </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>FOT part of VTR (or any other "real" organization)--<B>perish the
thought</B>. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Well, it's come to my notice over the years via this
list that the VTR isn't always the most popular with certain
individuals, and in a democracy everyone should be able to speak their
mind.
However as I don't want to get involved in the whys or wherefores, I'll try
to keep foot out of mouth. If FoT is happy on its own then fine, if FoT
feels association with a national or local club is desirable, that's fine
as
well. In the UK, the Triumph racing fraternity usually belong to one of two
national clubs (Triumph Sports Six and/or TR Register) but because
that's the way we do it here, doesn't mean North America should
copy.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Perhaps its time for me to go into the fallout
shelter.......</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Jonmac</FONT><BR>Ultimately, the question is one of
value added or lost by such an association. FoT is, by nature, very _ad
hoc_, while the VTR is dominated by rules and a governing body.
<BR>That alone will grate on some. Right now, one can be a member of
one or the other, or both, without either group interfering with the other,
and any cooperation between the two is entirely voluntary. That seems
to me to be the ideal set of circumstances.<BR>Cheers.<BR>Michael
Porter<BR>Roswell, NM<BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>-----------------------------</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As both an FOT and VTR member, I say the
current relationship between FOT and VTR is just fine. Each addresses
a different set of objectives and goals. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I was VTR president for 8 years and I think
VTR, as a club, does a great job doing what it does. So does
FOT. The trouble with just the concept of a formal affiliation is
that
it usually ends up looking like one entity is then subservient to the
other.....and I don't think FOT or VTR wants that.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Just my 2 pence.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cheers,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bill
Sohl</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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