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Re: [Fot] F-1 (Crankcase Oil Use Unveiled)

To: <Group44TR7@aol.com>, <N197TR4@cs.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] F-1 (Crankcase Oil Use Unveiled)
From: "Kas Kastner" <kaskas@cox.net>
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 12:15:51 -0700
I did the oil dripping part on our M 20 Mclaren Can Am car in 1973.  I 
worked great. Worked on the Formula 5000 wing also.

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To: <N197TR4@cs.com>
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Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 5:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] F-1 (Crankcase Oil Use Unveiled)


> In a message dated 10/23/2008 10:26:38 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> N197TR4@cs.com writes:
>
> Joe
>
>        I think you overlooked  a very important point in the previous 
> email
> below about the use of  crankcase oils.
>
>        Clearly, the Triumph  engineers intended our cars to leak crankcase
> oil so that we could study  the under carriages aerodynamics. I wonder 
> what
> other revelations we will be  able to find out in the future?
>
> Cary
>
>
> Just a  comment......
>
> In the late 50s, Jim Bede, used tiny perforations in the  flying surfaces 
> in
> order to control laminar flow.  Not very cost  effective at the time, but
> with
> modern manufacturing methods, it might be  more feasible. Maybe it wasnt 
> even
> functionally effective, but an  interesting idea.
>
> F-1 and others have may have pursued this, but I  wonder about that, too.
>
> Jim Bede was the originator the BD-5 & BD  5J  microjet used in the Bond
> Movies and one was also owned and flown  by Richard Bach....(Jonathon
> Livingston
> Seagull).
>
>> FYI   -  Response from a retired Aeronautical Engineer friend of mine 
>> that
> I
>> shared your interesting, the state of F1,  conversation.   Thought you 
>> might
>> appreciate his words on the subject.
>>  Bob Johns
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Gregory  Foster
>> To: Robert Johns
>> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 11:18  AM
>> Subject: Re: Fw: Fot Digest, Vol 23, Issue 44
>>
>>
>>       Aero and hydro dynamics are always  interesting subjects which I 
>> could
>> talk at length on because I spent  the last 15 years of my career dealing
> with
>> them when we were building  high speed underwater vehicles.  Also since 
>> my
>> hobby is flying  sailplanes, it is a constant topic of conversation along
> with
>> "secret"  airfoils and "secret" wing finishes to either eliminate or at
> least
>>  carefully control transitions from laminar to turbulent flow. Most of it
> is
>> BS
>> but some is not.  A recent development suggests there  may be a new one
> coming
>> along.  see  http://www.standardcirrus.org/  A technique used in gliders 
>> is
> to
>>  smear used crankcase oil that is good and black along a 2 foot section 
>> of
> a
>> wing and then go fly the plane and see how the oil streaked off the 
>> wing.
>> The
>> location ( cordwise)  of any transition  to turbulent airflow is very
> visible
>> in the remaining oil  smears.  Then we know where to place strips of
>> "deturbulator"  tapes.
>>
>>       I have been through several  classes on turbulence including the
>> Mendelbrot techniques discussed in  the Fot.  He is a math genius and his
>> theories of "Chaos", when  applied to turbulence result in very strange
>> phenomenal (in  theory).  As a personal hobby project I tried very hard 
>> to
>> apply  some of his theory to stock market analysis (if that isn't chaos,
> what
>>  is?) and it will take someone smarter than I am to produce something
> useful.
>> I could show that his theory applies to the market but I  wanted a form 
>> of
>> predictor and failed to get such a result.  It  is called "looking for a
>> "strange" attractor".  The word strange  has a definite, specific meaning 
>> in
>> his theory.
>>
>>    Greg
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