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To: Bob Kramer <rkramer3@austin.rr.com> a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=7bxZQXzQhnseiHR9DqR8wQ==:17 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=DMTMaJlBlAn6uA5dECwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=7bxZQXzQhnseiHR9DqR8wQ==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0
Subject: Re: [Fot] Thrust bearings
From: John Hasty <jhhasty@gdhs.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 10:28:54 -0400
Cc: FoTTriumph <fot@autox.team.net>
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All of our 2stroke race motors used roller rod & wrist pin bearings with ball
bearings on the crank. They were only lubed by the gas/oil mix which was fed
directly into the case through the carbs.  So, in theory the low end should be
doable. What do the F1 cars use. But they don't use cams etc?

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On Jul 21, 2013, at 8:56 AM, Bob Kramer <rkramer3@austin.rr.com> wrote:

> How do you control oil pressure to all those bearings? I suspect you would
> need to orifice all the oil passageways or set up some remote hose bank to
get
> oil at the right pressure to the rockers for example. Are there roller
> bearings you could use that don't just dump oil out everywhere?
>
> Bob Kramer
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 20, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Christopher Bock <SeaCubeCo@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Amici
>>
>> I have been thinking, which is dangerous!!
>>
>> I have a 1500 spit engine that will eventually be rebuilt to a little
> hotter
>> than normal. One of the main things to watch out for is he thrust
bearings.
>> Which lead me to this....
>>
>> My thoughts were to explore ball bearings in the engine. I have done some
>> Internet exploration and found some info. So I am asking the engine
> builders
>> here for their opinions.
>>
>> Thrust bearings.  Can ball thrust bearings be used? Has anyone ever tried
> to
>> use them? I haven't found anything online about this. Good/bad idea?
>>
>> Cam bearings.  Has anyone tried to use roller bearings in the block? I
have
>> found some info about this but nothing really saying good or bad.  I think
> the
>> 1500 block doesn't use bearings, but they can be used with a different
> (1247?)
>> cam.
>>
>> Crank bearings.  Split Roller bearings? I found one article about a guy
who
>> was going to use a split roller bearing on the crank.  There wasn't
> anything
>> if it happened or not.
>>
>> Connecting rod bearings. Same as above, same article, same results.
>>
>> Roller rocker bearings. Here is a question. Are the bearings on the rocker
>> shaft or the rocker to valve area or both? I heard roller bearings are not
>> worth the cost to use.
>>
>> I know the oil pressure will be less because you aren't looking for high
>> volume just splash oiling or mist oiling. Wouldn't a lower oil pressure be
>> better? Less force in trying to pump lots of oil around.
>>
>> I have three engines and I am willing to guinea pig on one engine.   I
> haven't
>> really looked into what sizes or costs would be needed. I am just throwing
> it
>> out there for opinions
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