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To: John Wagner <j.wags63@yahoo.com>, FOT <FOT@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] valve train
From: Ted Schumacher <tedtsimx@bright.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 09:27:07 -0400
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John, you fell victim to the "someone sold the wrong Ford lifter" 
problem. We have run into this a couple times where the lifter cup and 
push rod ball don't "like each other".  We supply roller rockers 
($285/set), hardened shaft ($69) and tubular alloy pushrods ($69.95).  
Pushrods available in 2 different tube diameters - 5/16"and 3/8" and 
whatever length needed.. We will also produce billet pedestals if you 
want. A caution about the use of needle bearing pivots in the rocker 
arm. Needle bearings, by design, allow oil to "fall out"of the bearings. 
And they are extremely hard. Needle bearings are great support for a 
rotating device such as a shaft where it rotates completely. But, a 
rocker arm only moves through a small part of an arc and can cause 
excessive wear to shaft. Our roller rockers are bushed with a design 
that forces oil to lube both the roller tip and pushrod cup. Please let 
me  now if we can help. Thanks, Ted


On 9/16/2013 7:50 PM, John Wagner wrote:
>     As some of you might know the purple TR3 had it's share of valve 
> train problems at RA. Turns out the plug in the rocker shaft came 
> loose and starved no. 1 rocker arm, we missed the K cup S---. But 
> thanks to Joe we were able to make the group 2 race. After some  close 
> inspection of all related parts, I found  something interesting. We 
> use .875 FE block Ford lifters (352-428) This lifters has a 5/16 dia. 
> push rod cup,triumph push rod are much larger, closer to 1/2 dia.  The 
> triumph push rods never created a problem but it is not right. The 
> push rods have no sign of ware, other then a shinny ring. For all of 
> you that use |Ford lifters You might want to check this. Our plan know 
> is to up grade to roller rockers and new push rods. I talked to 
> Richard Good about a complete assembly for TR2-4. He has rockers and 
> shafts but no pedestals,"BUT" he is willing to design and build billet 
> pedestals. So If anyone out there in FOT land that might be interested 
> in a kit or just new "Good" pedestals send him a note.
>     Now for the big question, Ford used two types of lifters the shell 
> type,like we use or a solid ,hour glass style with about a 1.5in. 
> shorter push rod, so if we have to replace push rods, why not go with 
> the solid lifters (about $80),yes there are a little heavier,but the 
> rod will be lighter and much more stronger. WHAT SAY YOU.
>
>      Thank you
>      John Wagner
>      Just the wrench
>
>
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Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx@bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022


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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">John, you fell victim to the "someone
      sold the wrong Ford lifter" problem. We have run into this a&nbsp;
      couple times where the lifter cup and push rod ball don't "like
      each other".&nbsp; We supply roller rockers ($285/set), hardened shaft
      ($69) and tubular alloy pushrods ($69.95).&nbsp; Pushrods available in
      2 different tube diameters - 5/16"and 3/8" and whatever length
      needed.. We will also produce billet pedestals if you want. A
      caution about the use of needle bearing pivots in the rocker arm.&nbsp;
      Needle bearings, by design, allow oil to "fall out"of the
      bearings. And they are extremely hard. Needle bearings are great
      support for a rotating device such as a shaft where it rotates
      completely. But, a rocker arm only moves through a small part of
      an arc and can cause excessive wear to shaft. Our roller rockers
      are bushed with a design that forces oil to lube both the roller
      tip and pushrod cup. Please let me&nbsp; now if we can help. Thanks,
      Ted<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      On 9/16/2013 7:50 PM, John Wagner wrote:<br>
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        <div>&nbsp; &nbsp; As some of you might know the purple TR3 had it's 
share
          of valve train problems at RA. Turns out the plug in the
          rocker shaft came loose and starved no. 1 rocker arm, we
          missed the K cup S---. But thanks to Joe we were able to make
          the group 2 race. After some &nbsp;close inspection of all related
          parts, I found &nbsp;something interesting. We use .875 FE block
          Ford lifters (352-428) This lifters has a 5/16 dia. push rod
          cup,triumph push rod are much larger, closer to 1/2 dia. &nbsp;The
          triumph push rods never created a problem but it is not right.
          The push rods have no sign of ware, other then a shinny ring.
          For all of you that use&nbsp;<span style="font-size: 12pt; ">|Ford
            lifters You might want to check this. Our plan know is to up
            grade to roller rockers and new push rods.</span><span
            style="font-size: 12pt; ">&nbsp;I talked to Richard Good about a
            complete assembly for TR2-4. He has rockers and shafts but
            no pedestals,"BUT" he is willing to design and build billet
            pedestals. So If anyone out there in FOT land that might be
            interested in a kit or just new "Good" pedestals send him a
            note.&nbsp;</span></div>
        <div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12pt; font-family:
          'Courier New', courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif;
          background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span
            style="font-size: 12pt; ">&nbsp; &nbsp; Now for the big question, 
Ford
            used two types of lifters the shell type,like we use or a
            solid ,hour glass style with about a 1.5in. shorter push
            rod, so if we have to replace push rods, why not go with the
            solid lifters (about $80),yes there are a little heavier,but
            the rod will be lighter and much more stronger. WHAT SAY
            YOU.&nbsp;</span></div>
        <div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family:
          'Courier New', courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif;
          background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span
            style="font-size: 12pt; "><br>
          </span></div>
        <div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family:
          'Courier New', courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif;
          background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span
            style="font-size: 12pt; ">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Thank you</span></div>
        <div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12pt; font-family:
          'Courier New', courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif;
          background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span
            style="font-size: 12pt; ">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;John 
Wagner</span></div>
        <div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12pt; font-family:
          'Courier New', courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif;
          background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span
            style="font-size: 12pt; ">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Just the 
wrench</span></div>
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Ted Schumacher
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" 
href="mailto:tedtsimx@bright.net";>tedtsimx@bright.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" 
href="http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com";>http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com</a>
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US &amp; Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022</pre>
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