Kelvin Dodd in the US doddk@mossmotors.com
He likely knows about this and is working diligently on the problem, but he
might be interested in hearing about the first hand experiences and field
fixes.
Joe A
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> On Nov 12, 2013, at 11:40 AM, Chuck WATSON <clw2000@msn.com> wrote:
>
> FOT -
>
> I bought my rack from Moss Europe and I have contacted them about the
issue.
> They are interested in hearing about the problems encountered as they
> determine the appropriate action. I would encourage those of you with
> first-hand info to contact Jeff Marks at jmarks@moss-europe.co.uk even if
> your rack was purchased from Moss USA. Hopefully this will get all of us a
> good resolution.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chuck Watson
>
>
>
>
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks
>> From: tr4.tony@virgin.net
>> Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2013 09:20:37 +0000
>> CC: clw2000@msn.com; fot@autox.team.net
>> To: tony@tonydrews.com
>>
>> Hi Tony
>>
>> I'm afraid I'd be very doubtful of it personally, although clearly I have
no
> knowledge of what exactly you have- you need to check it carefully. The
> issues are;
>>
>> The tube pulls out if the pinion housing
>> The pinion nut falls off
>> The threads on the track rod ends aren't always machined properly
>>
>> I suggest you check with MOSS - I learned yesterday that MOSS Europe have
> 'frozen' sales of racks in the UK - I'm not sure what that means exactly,
but
> they have agreed to meet with me to discuss my problem at least.
>>
>> Meanwhile I'm using a modified rack before the Titan parts arrive - I will
> not countenance a rack as supplied by MOSS for fear of our and others
safety.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 8 Nov 2013, at 19:08, Tony Drews <tony@tonydrews.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> FYI - I've got a Moss Quick Rack that I was planning to install this
> winter - says "Made in Argentina" clearly on the sticker on it. Guess I'll
> stick with the old stock one that's in the TR4.
>>>
>>> Tony Drews
>>>
>>> At 08:08 AM 11/7/2013, TR4 Tony wrote:
>>>> Chuck
>>>>
>>>> I would suggest that it is worth checking all racks, but I only have
> first
>>>> hand knowledge of the TR4 (TR6 etc) racks. I would be suspicious of any
> 'Made
>>>> in Argentina'.
>>>>
>>>> Steve Hall at TR Enterpises is having a batch of weapons grade racks
made
> now
>>>> with an ETA of march 2014 - if anyone is interested I suggest you
> contact
>>>> Simon Watson at simon@trenterprises.com to discuss. NFI but I will be
> running
>>>> one of the first when they arrive.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Tony
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Tony
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On 7 Nov 2013, at 13:24, Chuck WATSON <clw2000@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Serious stuff! Is that the quick-ratio unit from Moss USA? That one,
> they
>>>> claim, is a heavy duty unit designed for competition. I have their unit
> for a
>>>> Spit/GT6 application and would like to figure out if the issues are
> universal.
>>>> If possible, please email or post some pics on the Facebook site so we
> can see
>>>> exactly the areas you have identified. Thanks for the info Tony.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Chuck Watson
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: tr4.tony@virgin.net
>>>>>> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 12:59:48 +0000
>>>>>> To: fot@autox.team.net
>>>>>> Subject: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought I'd give you all a heads up on my position with reproduction
>>>> TR4
>>>>>> steering racks made in Argentina and supplied by MOSS or via others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have had another near lethal failure this weekend on the Rally of
> the
>>>> Tests,
>>>>>> costing me a high placing and a class win as well as the car or worse.
>>>> People
>>>>>> could have been hurt very badly. This is the second time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The issues are threefold in my experience, the first two are serious
>>>> safety
>>>>>> matters hence my email to this group.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. The main steel rack tube is pressed without any notching or
> machined
>>>>>> scoring into the alloy pinion housing, meaning that on left hand lock
> the
>>>> rack
>>>>>> tube parts from the housing and control is lost. This is because the
> rack
>>>> has
>>>>>> nothing to bear against and therefore the wheels end up pointing in
>>>> opposite
>>>>>> directions. The alloy housing appears to be made from a material of
>>>>>> insufficiently high quality in my opinion and the press fit is poor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am aware of 7 failures now, 6 on competition cars, one of which was
> mine
>>>> and
>>>>>> which I was lucky to walk away from.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. The nut and spring on the top of the pinion housing (which allows
> the
>>>> rack
>>>>>> preload / play to be adjusted) unwinds and falls off, causing loss of
>>>> control
>>>>>> and excessive play in the rack, as well as ingress of material as it's
>>>> open to
>>>>>> the atmosphere. This is another potentially lethal failure mode and
>>>> caused
>>>>>> because the peening of the pinion housing / nut fails and the nut just
>>>> spins
>>>>>> itself off. Again my opinion is that this is due to poor material,
> design
>>>> and
>>>>>> manufacturing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am aware if two such failures now, one on my car again which we were
>>>> lucky
>>>>>> to survive unscathed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The cast alloy pinion housings also appear to be poorly cast, with
> blow
>>>> holes
>>>>>> evident in the assembly indicating poor material, process and quality
>>>>>> control.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. There is a third problem in that the threads on ends of the rack
> are
>>>> not
>>>>>> cut properly, so track rod ends will not fit. Theses need to recut and
>>>> again
>>>>>> is evidence of poor manufacturing and dimensional control.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am working with TR Enterprises in the UK to develop a short term fix
>>>> (which
>>>>>> we have done) and ultimately have some racks made that are fit for
>>>> purpose,
>>>>>> however meantime my opinion is that anyone who has one of these 'Made
> in
>>>>>> Argentina' steering racks should talk to their supplier and satisfy
>>>> themselves
>>>>>> of their safety in use.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I for one will not be using such a rack in an unmodified form and will
>>>> replace
>>>>>> it as soon as is possible with a product that is designed to be safe
> in
>>>> use.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Needless to say I wish to discuss this with MOSS and I am awaiting
> their
>>>>>> response.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tony
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