Re: [Fot] MSD box

[Henry Morrison via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>]

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Removed my MSD and recieved the bonus of weight reduction.  Engine didn't s=
eem to miss it. I think their real benefit is only realized with a forced i=
nduction setup=2C so far not legal for vintage.=20
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Henry Morrison  Albuquerque=2C NM
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To: toodamnfunky@comcast.net=3B fot@autox.team.net
Date: Tue=2C 7 Apr 2015 18:39:49 +0200
Subject: Re: [Fot] MSD box
From: fot@autox.team.net

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Dear Listers=2C interesting to read that about the MSD boxes. I heard in th=
e past MSD has a very high failure rate (up to 50%). So those troubles do c=
onfirm the reliability issues of MSDSo I never bought or installed one but =
went for the Crane boxes=2C which are just great and run like a clock all t=
he time.Cheers!AlexCamolettiDe : Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] De=
 la part de Jim Gray via Fot
Envoy=E9 : mardi 7 avril 2015 15:08
=C0 : fot@autox.team.net
Objet : Re: [Fot] MSD box We had the exact same problem on one of our spits=
 without MSD in Colorado. =93When I pull either #1 or #4 plug wire she runs=
 fine=2C dips down a bit in RPM=2C but if I pull #2 or #3 she almost dies=
=94 We didn=92t move the timing light sensor wire around though.We have ano=
ther spitfire that did one of the most bizarre things I=92ve ever seen. We =
were trying to sort out another ignition miss problem and decided it wasn=
=92t going to get fixed at that moment.Dan=2C the owner decided to put it b=
ack in his pit=2C put the hood down and fired it up. It seemed to run a bit=
 worse than when we started so the hood came back up while it was running.T=
he distributor cap didn=92t get put back on and it was running! The cap was=
n=92t even close to the distributor=2C it was almost a foot away and you co=
uld see the arc dancing all over the inside of the cap. If someone had told=
 me that story and I hadn=92t seen it for myself I would have called BS.All=
 I can say is that was one hot coil=2C how it fired in any kind of order th=
at would allow it to run is still beyond my understanding.As far as why a c=
ar will still seem to run unaffected by pulling #=92s 1 or 4 is still a puz=
zle to me.Some people actually have success with an adjustable timing light=
 on and MSD equipped car ( if that=92s what your using ) I never did. MSD s=
ay=92s no. I had to go back to a fixed timing light because the timing was =
all over the place=2C hence the dual spark up to 3K rpm.Even with the fixed=
 timing light I had trouble timing the car at the Kastner Cup at Road Ameri=
ca. The MSD unit completely failed the next weekend out. Now I keep a spare=
 in the box.The point I=92m getting at is in this case it might not be the =
MSD box since we had the same problem with a non-MSD car.jim g  From: Fot [=
mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Smith via Fot
Sent: Monday=2C April 06=2C 2015 7:07 PM
To: don@dcphotos.com=3B FOT@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] MSD box I've seen that exact issue on a very fast TR4.  =
Drove us nuts until we tried a new box.  They will repair it very cheaply a=
s I recall.  Remember how NASCAR's always have TWO on board??  -----Origina=
l Message-----
From: don--- via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
To: fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon=2C Apr 6=2C 2015 4:55 pm
Subject: [Fot] MSD boxThis Spitfire that was =93pawned=94 off on me has a M=
SD Digital 6A box in it.  When I pull either #1 or #4 plug wire she runs fi=
ne=2C dips down a bit in RPM=2C but if I pull #2 or #3 she almost dies.  I =
put my timing gun on #1 wire=2C she fires at 15 =B0BTDC and same if I put t=
he timing gun sensor on the #4 wire.  When I put the sensor on either #2 or=
 #3 wire=2C it shows it firing all over the place=2C them seem to settle do=
wn to 15=B0btdc and then goes crazy again=2C settles down.   Not sure if th=
is is the MSD box or not but I thought I might get some answers here.  I di=
d find that the rotor cap was dragging on the Pertronix Ignitor module insi=
de the distributor. I swapped out rotor caps but still no luck.  Don  DON C=
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<body class=3D'hmmessage'><div dir=3D'ltr'>Removed my MSD and&nbsp=3Breciev=
ed the bonus of weight reduction.&nbsp=3B&nbsp=3BEngine didn't seem to miss=
 it. I think their real benefit is only realized with a forced induction se=
tup=2C so far not legal for vintage. <BR>&nbsp=3B<BR>Henry Morrison &nbsp=
=3BAlbuquerque=2C NM<br>&nbsp=3B<BR><div><hr id=3D"stopSpelling">To: toodam=
nfunky@comcast.net=3B fot@autox.team.net<br>Date: Tue=2C 7 Apr 2015 18:39:4=
9 +0200<br>Subject: Re: [Fot] MSD box<br>From: fot@autox.team.net<br><br>=
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--></style><div class=3D"ecxWordSection1"><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span l=
ang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: rgb(31=2C 73=2C 125)=3B font-family: "Calibri=
"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 11pt=3B'>Dear Listers=2C interesting to read=
 that about the MSD boxes. </span></p><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: rgb(31=2C 73=2C 125)=3B font-family: "Calibri"=
=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 11pt=3B'>I heard in the past MSD has a very h=
igh failure rate (up to 50%). </span></p><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: rgb(31=2C 73=2C 125)=3B font-family: "Calibri"=
=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 11pt=3B'>So those troubles do confirm the rel=
iability issues of MSD</span></p><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN=
-US" style=3D'color: rgb(31=2C 73=2C 125)=3B font-family: "Calibri"=2C"sans=
-serif"=3B font-size: 11pt=3B'>So I never bought or installed one but went =
for the Crane boxes=2C which are just great and run like a clock all the ti=
me.</span></p><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color=
: rgb(31=2C 73=2C 125)=3B font-family: "Calibri"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-siz=
e: 11pt=3B'>Cheers!</span></p><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US=
" style=3D'color: rgb(31=2C 73=2C 125)=3B font-family: "Calibri"=2C"sans-se=
rif"=3B font-size: 11pt=3B'>AlexCamoletti</span></p><div><div style=3D"bord=
er-width: 1pt medium medium=3B border-style: solid none none=3B border-colo=
r: rgb(181=2C 196=2C 223) currentColor currentColor=3B padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm=
=3B"><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D'font-family: "=
Tahoma"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>De&nbsp=3B:</span></b><span l=
ang=3D"FR" style=3D'font-family: "Tahoma"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=
=3B'> Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>De la part de</b> Jim Gray=
 via Fot<br><b>Envoy=E9&nbsp=3B:</b> mardi 7 avril 2015 15:08<br><b>=C0&nbs=
p=3B:</b> fot@autox.team.net<br><b>Objet&nbsp=3B:</b> Re: [Fot] MSD box</sp=
an></p></div></div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal">&nbsp=3B</p><p class=3D"ecxMso=
Normal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: navy=3B font-family: "Arial"=
=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>We had the exact same problem on one=
 of our spits without MSD in Colorado. =93</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D'color: black=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=
=3B'>When I pull either #1 or #4 plug wire she runs fine=2C dips down a bit=
 in RPM=2C but if I pull #2 or #3 she almost dies=94 </span></p><p class=3D=
"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: navy=3B font-family: "A=
rial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>We didn=92t move the timing lig=
ht sensor wire around though.</span></p><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lan=
g=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: navy=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B =
font-size: 10pt=3B'>We have another spitfire that did one of the most bizar=
re things I=92ve ever seen. We were trying to sort out another ignition mis=
s problem and decided it wasn=92t going to get fixed at that moment.</span>=
</p><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: navy=3B =
font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>Dan=2C the owner=
 decided to put it back in his pit=2C put the hood down and fired it up. It=
 seemed to run a bit worse than when we started so the hood came back up wh=
ile it was running.</span></p><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US=
" style=3D'color: navy=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size:=
 10pt=3B'>The distributor cap didn=92t get put back on and it was running! =
The cap wasn=92t even close to the distributor=2C it was almost a foot away=
 and you could see the arc dancing all over the inside of the cap. If someo=
ne had told me that story and I hadn=92t seen it for myself I would have ca=
lled BS.</span></p><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'=
color: navy=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>A=
ll I can say is that was one hot coil=2C how it fired in any kind of order =
that would allow it to run is still beyond my understanding.</span></p><p c=
lass=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: navy=3B font-fam=
ily: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>As far as why a car will=
 still seem to run unaffected by pulling #=92s 1 or 4 is still a puzzle to =
me.</span></p><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color=
: navy=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>Some p=
eople actually have success with an adjustable timing light on and MSD equi=
pped car ( if that=92s what your using ) I never did. MSD say=92s no. I had=
 to go back to </span></p><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" st=
yle=3D'color: navy=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10p=
t=3B'>a fixed timing light because the timing was all over the place=2C hen=
ce the dual spark up to 3K rpm.</span></p><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span l=
ang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: navy=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=
=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>Even with the fixed timing light I had trouble timi=
ng the car at the Kastner Cup at Road America. The MSD unit completely fail=
ed the next weekend out. Now I keep a spare in the box.</span></p><p class=
=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: navy=3B font-family:=
 "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>The point I=92m getting at i=
s in this case it might not be the MSD box since we had the same problem wi=
th a non-MSD car.</span></p><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D'color: navy=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 1=
0pt=3B'>jim g</span></p><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
e=3D'color: navy=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=
=3B'>&nbsp=3B</span></p><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
e=3D'color: navy=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=
=3B'>&nbsp=3B</span></p><div><div align=3D"center" class=3D"ecxMsoNormal" s=
tyle=3D"text-align: center=3B"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><hr width=3D"100%" size=
=3D"2" align=3D"center"></span></div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><b><span lan=
g=3D"EN-US" style=3D'font-family: "Tahoma"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10p=
t=3B'>From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'font-family: "Tahoma"=
=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'> Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.=
net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Steve Smith via Fot<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday=2C Apri=
l 06=2C 2015 7:07 PM<br><b>To:</b> don@dcphotos.com=3B FOT@autox.team.net<b=
r><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] MSD box</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"></span></p><=
/div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp=3B</span></p><p c=
lass=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: black=3B font-fa=
mily: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>I've seen that exact is=
sue on a very fast TR4. &nbsp=3BDrove us nuts until we tried a new box. &nb=
sp=3BThey will repair it very cheaply as I recall. </span></p><div><p class=
=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: black=3B font-family=
: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>&nbsp=3B</span></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: black=3B =
font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>Remember how NAS=
CAR's always have TWO on board??</span></p><div><blockquote style=3D"border=
-width: medium medium medium 1.5pt=3B border-style: none none none solid=3B=
 border-color: currentColor currentColor currentColor blue=3B padding: 0cm =
0cm 0cm 2pt=3B"><div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D'color: black=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=
=3B'>&nbsp=3B</span></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal">=
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: black=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-=
serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>&nbsp=3B</span></p><div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNor=
mal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: black=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"=
sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: don-=
-- via Fot &lt=3Bfot@autox.team.net&gt=3B<br>To: fot &lt=3Bfot@autox.team.n=
et&gt=3B<br>Sent: Mon=2C Apr 6=2C 2015 4:55 pm<br>Subject: [Fot] MSD box</s=
pan></p><div id=3D"ecxAOLMsgPart_1.2_23cfa6ad-ff53-4d62-a2a3-4c67065df8b1">=
<div><div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: bl=
ack=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>This Spit=
fire that was =93pawned=94 off on me has a MSD Digital 6A box in it. </span=
></p></div><div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'col=
or: black=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>&nb=
sp=3B</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D'color: black=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 1=
0pt=3B'>When I pull either #1 or #4 plug wire she runs fine=2C dips down a =
bit in RPM=2C but if I pull #2 or #3 she almost dies. </span></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: black=3B fo=
nt-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>&nbsp=3B</span></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: =
black=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>I put m=
y timing gun on #1 wire=2C she fires at 15 </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
e=3D'background: white=3B color: rgb(102=2C 102=2C 102)=3B font-family: "He=
lvetica"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>=B0</span><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S" style=3D'color: black=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-siz=
e: 10pt=3B'>BTDC and same if I put the timing gun sensor </span></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: black=3B=
 font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>on the #4 wire.=
 </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D'color: black=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=
=3B'>&nbsp=3B</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"=
EN-US" style=3D'color: black=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font=
-size: 10pt=3B'>When I put the sensor on either #2 or #3 wire=2C it shows i=
t firing all over the place=2C them seem to settle down to 15=B0btdc </span=
></p></div><div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'col=
or: black=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>and=
 then goes crazy again=2C settles down.&nbsp=3B </span></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: black=3B font-fam=
ily: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>&nbsp=3B</span></p></div=
><div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: black=
=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>Not sure if =
this is the MSD box or not but I thought I might get some answers here. </s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D'=
color: black=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10pt=3B'>=
&nbsp=3B</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US=
" style=3D'color: black=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size=
: 10pt=3B'>I did find that the rotor cap was dragging on the Pertronix Igni=
tor module inside the distributor. I swapped out rotor caps but still no lu=
ck. </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" st=
yle=3D'color: black=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B font-size: 10=
pt=3B'>&nbsp=3B</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D'color: black=3B font-family: "Arial"=2C"sans-serif"=3B =
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