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I might have seen that tractor come off of the line at Charles City......bef=
ore I went to John Deere.
Joe Alexander
645 1st Street
Jesup, IA 50648
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell: 319.464.4711
> On Feb 9, 2016, at 8:01 PM, Bill Tobin <william.tobin31@verizon.net> wrote=
:
>=20
> A couple things: I don't have a wet sleeve engine or head gaskets that lea=
k. No mayonnaise.
> I run about 195 for water and about 230 for oil.
> On a cool day, a sump heater or good warmup is essential. Same for tires a=
nd brakes.
> I just repaired a couple tractors with milkshakes in the trans and diff; n=
ot good. And Joe, one was my Oliver 1650, great tractor!
> Cheers, Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill
> To: Bill Tobin
> Cc: fot@autox.team.net
> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 7:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] article
>=20
> That rule of thumb doesn=E2=80=99t make a great deal of sense. There are t=
wo issues with oil that is changed frequently, as it usually is with racing e=
ngines. Low temperature means any water contamination won=E2=80=99t necessar=
ily be driven off. If you exceed 212 degrees F with a vented wet sump engine=
most of the water will evaporate and vent. We have wet sleeve motors and if=
fy head gaskets=E2=80=94we get water in our oil. Mayonnaise doesn=E2=80=99t l=
ube all that well.=20
>=20
> If oil temperature exceeds 290 it starts to oxidize faster. Wet sump motor=
s with moderate control over the crankcase oxidize oil pretty quickly. Frequ=
ent changes manage that, so who cares. Also above 290 we start seeing viscos=
ity, and more importantly, film thickness decrease. Plain bearing motors and=
cams with plain followers like a thicker film.=20
>=20
> So more than 212 and less than 290 seems wise, and probably less than 270 j=
ust to be conservative. But definitely more than 212
>=20
>=20
>> On Feb 9, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Bill Tobin <william.tobin31@verizon.net> wrot=
e:
>>=20
>> Hi Gang, there is a nice writeup about John Morton in the March edition o=
f Sportscar, the SCCA magazine. He was at the Jefferson 500 last spring and s=
eemed like a cool guy. I bought his book, complete with autograph.
>> =20
>> Also regarding oil coolers; a friend who's been racing since '66 told me a=
s a rule of thumb the oil temp should be about 30 degrees above water temp.
>> Also you can make up braided hoses rather easily yourself. Pegasus has a g=
ood description on how to do it in their catalog, along with a good selectio=
n of hoses and fittings.
>> NFI.=20
>> Cheers, Bill
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>I might have seen that tractor come of=
f of the line at Charles City......before I went to John Deere.<br><br>Joe A=
lexander<div>645 1st Street</div><div>Jesup, IA 50648</div><div><a href=3D"h=
ttp://The-vintage-racer.com">The-vintage-racer.com</a></div><div><a href=3D"=
http://Gasketinnovations.com";>Gasketinnovations.com</a></div><div>Cell: &nbs=
p;319.464.4711</div></div><div><br>On Feb 9, 2016, at 8:01 PM, Bill Tobin &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:william.tobin31@verizon.net";>william.tobin31@verizon.net=
</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>
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<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">A couple things: I don't have a wet sle=
eve engine=20
or head gaskets that leak. No mayonnaise.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">I run about 195 for water and about 230=
for=20
oil.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">On a cool day, a sump heater or good wa=
rmup is=20
essential. Same for tires and brakes.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">I just repaired a couple tractors with m=
ilkshakes=20
in the trans and diff; not good. And Joe, one was my Oliver 1650, great=20
tractor!</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Cheers, Bill</font></div>
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ING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
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>From:</b>=20
<a title=3D"Bill@ponostyle.com" href=3D"mailto:Bill@ponostyle.com";>Bill</a=
> </div>
<div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"william.tobin31@ver=
izon.net" href=3D"mailto:william.tobin31@verizon.net";>Bill Tobin</a> </div>
<div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a title=3D"fot@autox.team.net"=
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<div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 09, 2016 7:=
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PM</div>
<div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] article</div>
<div><br></div>That rule of thumb doesn=E2=80=99t make a great deal of sen=
se. There=20
are two issues with oil that is changed frequently, as it usually is with=20=
racing engines. Low temperature means any water contamination won=E2=80=99=
t=20
necessarily be driven off. If you exceed 212 degrees F with a vented wet s=
ump=20
engine most of the water will evaporate and vent. We have wet sleeve motor=
s=20
and iffy head gaskets=E2=80=94we get water in our oil. Mayonnaise doesn=E2=
=80=99t lube all=20
that well.
<div><br></div>
<div>If oil temperature exceeds 290 it starts to oxidize faster. Wet sump=20=
motors with moderate control over the crankcase oxidize oil pretty quickly=
.=20
Frequent changes manage that, so who cares. Also above 290 we start seeing=
=20
viscosity, and more importantly, film thickness decrease. Plain bearing mo=
tors=20
and cams with plain followers like a thicker film. </div>
<div><br></div>
<div>So more than 212 and less than 290 seems wise, and probably less than=
270=20
just to be conservative. But definitely more than 212</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br>
<div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>On Feb 9, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Bill Tobin <<a href=3D"mailto:willia=
m.tobin31@verizon.net">william.tobin31@verizon.net</a>>=20
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
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vetica; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-W=
EIGHT: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"><font size=
=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Hi Gang, there is a nice writeup about John Morton in=20=
the March edition of Sportscar, the SCCA magazine. He was at the=20=
Jefferson 500 last spring and seemed like a cool guy. I bought his=20=
book, complete with autograph.</font></div>
<div style=3D"TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); =
FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; FONT-FAMILY: Hel=
vetica; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-W=
EIGHT: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"> </di=
v>
<div style=3D"TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); =
FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; FONT-FAMILY: Hel=
vetica; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-W=
EIGHT: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"><font size=
=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Also regarding oil coolers; a friend who's been racing=
=20
since '66 told me as a rule of thumb the oil temp should be about 30 deg=
rees=20
above water temp.</font></div>
<div style=3D"TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); =
FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; FONT-FAMILY: Hel=
vetica; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-W=
EIGHT: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"><font size=
=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Also you can make up braided hoses rather easily yours=
elf.=20
Pegasus has a good description on how to do it in their catalog, along w=
ith=20
a good selection of hoses and fittings.</font></div>
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EIGHT: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"><font size=
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