[Fot] Mystery Solved

[Bill Babcock <ponobill@gmail.com>]

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Mystery solved. The cam is a BFE M23-108 from SLR. Thanks, Preston, for =
the cam card. It saved what little hair I had left. This shoould have =
been a fifteen minute job, instead I spent two days looking at a degree =
wheel and a dial indicator. Having the right data helps a lot.=20

I set it up with a measured advance of four degrees. The calculated lobe =
center comes out to 104, which is zero advance, but I think this puppy =
need to visit a dyno anyway. Final numbers are:

measured at .050=20
Intake opens 30.5 BTC
Intake closes 58.5 ABC
Exhaust opens 64.5 BBC
Exhaust closes 22 ATC

Lift at valve=E2=80=940 lash
550 intake 550 ext=20

Calculated:
Overlap 52.5
Intake duration 269
Exhaust dur 266.5
Intake LC 104 ATC
Exhaust LC 111.5 BTC





> On Jun 14, 2016, at 8:47 PM, Preston Kaenel <kaenel@pacbell.net> =
wrote:
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> Correct intake lobe at 104 would be straight up install on this cam. =
Good luck with it.
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> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:39 PM, Bill Babcock <ponobill@gmail.com> =
wrote:
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> Thanks so much, I can get there from here. It looks about right. Just =
roughing it out in my head if I moved the intake lobe center to 104 =
I=E2=80=99d be right about there. I think I=E2=80=99m going to give it a =
try at 108 and get some dyno time to play with it.=20
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>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 8:33 PM, Preston Kaenel <kaenel@pacbell.net =
>>=20
>> Attached are two cam cards.
>> BFE #23 lobe profile(.376 lift) on 108deg lobe center
>> BFE #24 lobe profile(.370lift) on 108deg lobe center
>>=20
>> To my knowledge these are the only two lobe profiles over the last 20 =
years for BFE cams both with Steve and prior with Babe Erson. Lobe =
centers have varied from 103 to 108. Even with inverted math your lobe =
center math should be accurate. If the attachments get stripped, I'll =
send them to you directly. Don't get much TR time these day, but saw =
this and hopefully could help a bit.
>>=20
>> Preston
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>> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 7:58 PM, Bill Babcock <ponobill@gmail.com =
>>=20
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>> It=E2=80=99s the cam that was working so well. Pretty sure it=E2=80=99s=
 a BFE, but no, I=E2=80=9Dm not letting this go until I know. Right now =
the numbers are totally screwball, but I=E2=80=99ll figure it out.=20
>>=20
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>>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:46 PM, Kas Kastner <kaskastner@gmail.com =
>>>=20
>>> It is difficult for me to believe that Bill is just going to say "oh =
what the hell, I'll just put it in"   :-)
>>>=20
>>> Never be beaten by equipment.
>>>=20
>>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Bill Babcock <ponobill@gmail.com =
>>> Searching around on the web, it kind of looks like a TilTech 298Dx, =
but I don=E2=80=99t recall buying a cam from Larry and Tony Garmey =
doesn=E2=80=99t think so either. I could just set it up as if it were, =
but it would be good to know.
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> > On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:40 AM, Bill Babcock <ponobill@gmail.com =
>>> >
>>> > Oh, and the lift is .372
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Bill Babcock <ponobill@gmail.com =
>>> >>
>>> >> I=E2=80=99m building a new motor for Peyote from the bits of =
it=E2=80=99s previous engine. I discovered the front main bearing cap =
was cracked in half when I decided to freshen the motor. I=E2=80=99ll =
work on replacing the cap later=E2=80=94maybe get a billet one made, but =
in the meantime I=E2=80=99ve run into a minor problem. I don=E2=80=99t =
know for sure what cam I have or how it should be set.  Tony Garmey says =
it=E2=80=99s a BFE cam, but I can=E2=80=99t find any specs for those and =
can=E2=80=99t get ahold of Ken.
>>> >>
>>> >> I ballparked where I think the cam might want to be and got this =
for measurements:
>>> >>
>>> >> Reading the Intake and exhaust valve movement from the spring =
retainers I use 0.033=E2=80=9D as the open/close height which is =
.050/1.45 which as I recall is the ratio of the stock rockers=E2=80=9D
>>> >> Intake open .033 @ 36 BTC
>>> >> Intaake close .033=E2=80=9D @ 76 ABC
>>> >> Exhaust open .033=E2=80=9D @ 76 ABC
>>> >> Exhaust close .033=E2=80=9D @ 42 ATC
>>> >>
>>> >> By my calculations that gives:
>>> >> Intake duration 292.0 degrees
>>> >> Exhaust duration 298 degrees
>>> >> Intake lobe center 110.0 ATC
>>> >> Exhaust lobe center 107 BTC
>>> >> Overlap 78
>>> >> Lobe separation angle 108.5
>>> >>
>>> >> Pretty sure this isn=E2=80=99t exactly where it needs to be. I =
have a vernier sprocket so I can adjust the timing precisely. My =
questions are:
>>> >>
>>> >> What cam is this?
>>> >> Where should it be set?
>>> >> How much advance?
>>> >
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>> <BFE M23-108.pdf><BFE M24-108.pdf>
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">Mystery solved. The cam is a BFE M23-108 from =
SLR. Thanks, Preston, for the cam card. It saved what little hair I had =
left. This shoould have been a fifteen minute job, instead I spent two =
days looking at a degree wheel and a dial indicator. Having the right =
data helps a lot.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">I set it up with a measured advance of four degrees. The =
calculated lobe center comes out to 104, which is zero advance, but I =
think this puppy need to visit a dyno anyway. Final numbers =
are:</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">measured =
at .050&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"">Intake opens 30.5 BTC</div><div =
class=3D"">Intake closes 58.5 ABC</div><div class=3D"">Exhaust opens =
64.5 BBC</div><div class=3D"">Exhaust closes 22 ATC</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Lift at valve=E2=80=940 =
lash</div><div class=3D"">550 intake 550 ext&nbsp;</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Calculated:</div><div =
class=3D"">Overlap 52.5</div><div class=3D"">Intake duration =
269</div><div class=3D"">Exhaust dur 266.5</div><div class=3D"">Intake =
LC 104 ATC</div><div class=3D"">Exhaust LC 111.5 BTC</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">
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class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><br class=3D""><div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Jun 14, 2016, at 8:47 PM, =
Preston Kaenel &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kaenel@pacbell.net"; =
class=3D"">kaenel@pacbell.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: =
HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', =
sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" class=3D""><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465790522807_24485" class=3D""><span =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465790522807_24484" class=3D"">Correct intake =
lobe at 104 would be straight up install on this cam. Good luck with it. =
</span></div> <div class=3D"qtdSeparateBR"><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"yahoo_quoted" style=3D"display: block;"> =
<div style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, =
Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" class=3D""> <div =
style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, =
Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" class=3D""> <div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2" class=3D""> On Tuesday, June =
14, 2016 8:39 PM, Bill Babcock &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ponobill@gmail.com"; =
class=3D"">ponobill@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D""></font></div> =
 <br class=3D""><br class=3D""> <div class=3D"y_msg_container"><div =
id=3D"yiv9844589333" class=3D""><div class=3D"">Thanks so much, I can =
get there from here. It looks about right. Just roughing it out in my =
head if I moved the intake lobe center to 104 I=E2=80=99d be right about =
there. I think I=E2=80=99m going to give it a try at 108 and get some =
dyno time to play with it.&nbsp;<div class=3D"yiv9844589333"><br =
class=3D"yiv9844589333" clear=3D"none"><div class=3D""><blockquote =
class=3D"yiv9844589333" type=3D"cite"><div =
class=3D"yiv9844589333yqt3382856591" id=3D"yiv9844589333yqt35722"><div =
class=3D"yiv9844589333">On Jun 14, 2016, at 8:33 PM, Preston Kaenel =
&lt;<a class=3D"yiv9844589333" href=3D"mailto:kaenel@pacbell.net"; =
target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" =
ymailto=3D"mailto:kaenel@pacbell.net";>kaenel@pacbell.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"yiv9844589333Apple-interchange-newline" =
clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv9844589333"><div =
class=3D"yiv9844589333"><div class=3D"yiv9844589333" style=3D"font-family:=
 HelveticaNeue, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, =
&quot;Lucida Grande&quot;, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; =
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div class=3D"yiv9844589333" =
id=3D"yiv9844589333yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465790522807_22258"><span =
class=3D"yiv9844589333" =
id=3D"yiv9844589333yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465790522807_22257">Attached are =
two cam cards.</span></div><div class=3D"yiv9844589333" =
id=3D"yiv9844589333yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465790522807_22438"><span =
class=3D"yiv9844589333" =
id=3D"yiv9844589333yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465790522807_22437">BFE #23 lobe =
profile(.376 lift) on 108deg lobe center</span></div><div =
class=3D"yiv9844589333" =
id=3D"yiv9844589333yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465790522807_22455"><span =
class=3D"yiv9844589333" =
id=3D"yiv9844589333yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465790522807_22456">BFE #24 lobe =
profile(.370lift) on 108deg lobe center</span></div><div =
class=3D"yiv9844589333" =
id=3D"yiv9844589333yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465790522807_22531"><span =
class=3D"yiv9844589333"></span><br class=3D"yiv9844589333" =
clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv9844589333" =
id=3D"yiv9844589333yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465790522807_22533" =
dir=3D"ltr"><span class=3D"yiv9844589333" =
id=3D"yiv9844589333yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465790522807_22532">To my =
knowledge these are the only two lobe profiles over the last 20 years =
for BFE cams both with Steve and prior with Babe Erson. Lobe centers =
have varied from 103 to 108. Even with inverted math your lobe center =
math should be accurate. If the attachments get stripped, I'll send them =
to you directly. Don't get much TR time these day, but saw this and =
hopefully could help a bit.</span></div><div class=3D"yiv9844589333" =
dir=3D"ltr"><span class=3D"yiv9844589333"></span><br =
class=3D"yiv9844589333" clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv9844589333" =
dir=3D"ltr"><span class=3D"yiv9844589333">Preston</span></div> <div =
class=3D"yiv9844589333qtdSeparateBR"><br class=3D"yiv9844589333" =
clear=3D"none"><br class=3D"yiv9844589333" clear=3D"none"></div><div =
class=3D"yiv9844589333yahoo_quoted" style=3D"display: block;"> <div =
class=3D"yiv9844589333" style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica =
Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> =
<div class=3D"yiv9844589333" style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, =
Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: =
16px;"> <div class=3D"yiv9844589333" dir=3D"ltr"><font =
class=3D"yiv9844589333" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> On Tuesday, June 14, =
2016 7:58 PM, Bill Babcock &lt;<a class=3D"yiv9844589333" =
href=3D"mailto:ponobill@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" =
shape=3D"rect" =
ymailto=3D"mailto:ponobill@gmail.com";>ponobill@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br class=3D"yiv9844589333" clear=3D"none"></font></div>  <br =
class=3D"yiv9844589333" clear=3D"none"><br class=3D"yiv9844589333" =
clear=3D"none"> <div class=3D"yiv9844589333y_msg_container"><div =
class=3D"yiv9844589333" id=3D"yiv9844589333"><div =
class=3D"yiv9844589333">It=E2=80=99s the cam that was working so well. =
Pretty sure it=E2=80=99s a BFE, but no, I=E2=80=9Dm not letting this go =
until I know. Right now the numbers are totally screwball, but I=E2=80=99l=
l figure it out.&nbsp;<div class=3D"yiv9844589333"><br =
class=3D"yiv9844589333" clear=3D"none"></div><div =
class=3D"yiv9844589333"><br class=3D"yiv9844589333" clear=3D"none"><div =
class=3D"yiv9844589333"><blockquote class=3D"yiv9844589333" =
type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"yiv9844589333">On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:46 PM, =
Kas Kastner &lt;<a class=3D"yiv9844589333" =
href=3D"mailto:kaskastner@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" =
shape=3D"rect" =
ymailto=3D"mailto:kaskastner@gmail.com";>kaskastner@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"yiv9844589333Apple-interchange-newline" =
clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv9844589333"><div class=3D"yiv9844589333" =
dir=3D"ltr">It is difficult for me to believe that Bill is just going to =
say "oh what the hell, I'll just put it in"&nbsp;&nbsp; :-)</div><div =
class=3D"yiv9844589333gmail_extra"><br class=3D"yiv9844589333" =
clear=3D"all"><div class=3D"yiv9844589333"><div =
class=3D"yiv9844589333gmail_signature"><div =
class=3D"yiv9844589333"><strong class=3D"yiv9844589333"><font =
class=3D"yiv9844589333" color=3D"#000099">Never be beaten by =
equipment.</font></strong></div></div></div>
<br class=3D"yiv9844589333" clear=3D"none"><div =
class=3D"yiv9844589333gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:46 AM, =
Bill Babcock <span class=3D"yiv9844589333" dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
class=3D"yiv9844589333" href=3D"mailto:ponobill@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" =
ymailto=3D"mailto:ponobill@gmail.com";>ponobill@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> =
wrote:<br class=3D"yiv9844589333" clear=3D"none"><blockquote =
class=3D"yiv9844589333gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; =
padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); =
border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;">Searching around on =
the web, it kind of looks like a TilTech 298Dx, but I don=E2=80=99t =
recall buying a cam from Larry and Tony Garmey doesn=E2=80=99t think so =
either. I could just set it up as if it were, but it would be good to =
know.<br class=3D"yiv9844589333" clear=3D"none">
<br class=3D"yiv9844589333" clear=3D"none">
<br class=3D"yiv9844589333" clear=3D"none">
&gt; On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:40 AM, Bill Babcock &lt;<a =
class=3D"yiv9844589333" href=3D"mailto:ponobill@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" =
ymailto=3D"mailto:ponobill@gmail.com";>ponobill@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br class=3D"yiv9844589333" clear=3D"none">
&gt;<br class=3D"yiv9844589333" clear=3D"none">
&gt; Oh, and the lift is .372<br class=3D"yiv9844589333" clear=3D"none">
&gt;<br class=3D"yiv9844589333" clear=3D"none">
&gt;<br class=3D"yiv9844589333" clear=3D"none">
&gt;&gt; On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Bill Babcock &lt;<a =
class=3D"yiv9844589333" href=3D"mailto:ponobill@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" =
ymailto=3D"mailto:ponobill@gmail.com";>ponobill@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br class=3D"yiv9844589333" clear=3D"none">
&gt;&gt;<br class=3D"yiv9844589333" clear=3D"none">
&gt;&gt; I=E2=80=99m building a new motor for Peyote from the bits of =
it=E2=80=99s previous engine. I discovered the front main bearing cap =
was cracked in half when I decided to freshen the motor. I=E2=80=99ll =
work on replacing the cap later=E2=80=94maybe get a billet one made, but =
in the meantime I=E2=80=99ve run into a minor problem. I don=E2=80=99t =
know for sure what cam I have or how it should be set.&nbsp; Tony Garmey =
says it=E2=80=99s a BFE cam, but I can=E2=80=99t find any specs for =
those and can=E2=80=99t get ahold of Ken.<br class=3D"yiv9844589333" =
clear=3D"none">
&gt;&gt;<br class=3D"yiv9844589333" clear=3D"none">
&gt;&gt; I ballparked where I think the cam might want to be and got =
this for measurements:<br class=3D"yiv9844589333" clear=3D"none">
&gt;&gt;<br class=3D"yiv9844589333" clear=3D"none">
&gt;&gt; Reading the Intake and exhaust valve movement from the spring =
retainers I use 0.033=E2=80=9D as the open/close height which is =
.050/1.45 which as I recall is the ratio of the stock rockers=E2=80=9D<br =
class=3D"yiv9844589333" clear=3D"none">
&gt;&gt; Intake open .033 @ 36 BTC<br class=3D"yiv9844589333" =
clear=3D"none">
&gt;&gt; Intaake close .033=E2=80=9D @ 76 ABC<br class=3D"yiv9844589333" =
clear=3D"none">
&gt;&gt; Exhaust open .033=E2=80=9D @ 76 ABC<br class=3D"yiv9844589333" =
clear=3D"none">
&gt;&gt; Exhaust close .033=E2=80=9D @ 42 ATC<br class=3D"yiv9844589333" =
clear=3D"none">
&gt;&gt;<br class=3D"yiv9844589333" clear=3D"none">
&gt;&gt; By my calculations that gives:<br class=3D"yiv9844589333" =
clear=3D"none">
&gt;&gt; Intake duration 292.0 degrees<br class=3D"yiv9844589333" =
clear=3D"none">
&gt;&gt; Exhaust duration 298 degrees<br class=3D"yiv9844589333" =
clear=3D"none">
&gt;&gt; Intake lobe center 110.0 ATC<br class=3D"yiv9844589333" =
clear=3D"none">
&gt;&gt; Exhaust lobe center 107 BTC<br class=3D"yiv9844589333" =
clear=3D"none">
&gt;&gt; Overlap 78<br class=3D"yiv9844589333" clear=3D"none">
&gt;&gt; Lobe separation angle 108.5<br class=3D"yiv9844589333" =
clear=3D"none">
&gt;&gt;<br class=3D"yiv9844589333" clear=3D"none">
&gt;&gt; Pretty sure this isn=E2=80=99t exactly where it needs to be. I =
have a vernier sprocket so I can adjust the timing precisely. My =
questions are:<br class=3D"yiv9844589333" clear=3D"none">
&gt;&gt;<br class=3D"yiv9844589333" clear=3D"none">
&gt;&gt; What cam is this?<br class=3D"yiv9844589333" clear=3D"none">
&gt;&gt; Where should it be set?<br class=3D"yiv9844589333" =
clear=3D"none">
&gt;&gt; How much advance?<br class=3D"yiv9844589333" clear=3D"none">
&gt;<br class=3D"yiv9844589333" clear=3D"none">
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