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Subject: [Healeys] BN6 Overdrive
From: sbyers at ec.rr.com (BJ8Healeys)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 10:46:36 -0500
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Mike, what I mentioned to Neil is that both times I have had problems with my 
overdrive failing to engage, or engaging sluggishly, the problem was the 
accumulator.  The first time it would engage when cold, but not when hot.  The 
accumulator walls were severely gouged, probably from too much debris in the 
oil from not having been changed frequently enough before I got the car.  I 
found no other problems.  I concluded that the massive leakage prevented the 
accumulator piston from moving back far enough against the spring to direct the 
oil to the metering pin.

The second time, the overdrive was slow to engage, felt like it was slipping, 
and would make a whirring noise as it tried to do so.  I put a gauge on the O/D 
and went for a drive.  I was reading 350 psi before the O/D switch was flipped, 
dropping to 100 psi at it tried to engage and back up to 350 - 365 psi after 
engagement.  I found a broken accumulator piston ring and a loose ring in the 
bottom of the accumulator bore.  After correcting that (and a broken thrust 
washer behind the planetaries), I read 450 psi before flipping the O/D switch 
and 250 psi as it engaged.  I neglected to record the recovery pressure.  This 
was done on a test rig and I did not repeat the test on the road since the O/D 
worked perfectly after reinstallation in the car.

 

Steve Byers

HBJ8L/36666

BJ8 Registry

AHCA Delegate at Large

Havelock, NC  

 

 

From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Michael 
Salter
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 9:53 AM
To: Neil McDonald
Cc: Healey List
Subject: Re: [Healeys] BN6 Overdrive

 

Hi again Neil,

With all due respects to Steve I would not suspect the accumulator because it 
is in the hydraulic circuit ahead of the operating valve. 

If the accumulator was leaking badly enough to prevent the overdrive from 
engaging you would never see 390 p.s.i. if you are testing at the operating 
valve plug with the ball and spring in position.

Although the specified pressure for our units is 470 - 490 p.s.i. I have never 
seen one achieve 490 p.s.i. and have found units that operated quite 
satisfactorily with pressures as low as 300 p.s.i. hot. 

Someone suggested running the car on stands and manually lifting the valve 
setting lever. That is how I test for correct operation BUT PLEASE be ware of 
that driveshaft spinning next to your right hip. Getting yourself tangled up in 
that will ruin your day.

Michael S

BN1 #174

 

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 6:05 AM, Neil McDonald <nmcd10 at gmail.com> wrote:

Yesterday I wrote "I have concluded that the most likely cause of my problems 
are low OD fluid levels and/or inadequate opening of the actuating valve. Both 
I can  readily deal with."

 

In off line discussions with Steve Byers I have added a third and ominous 
possibility, a defective accumulator. The good hydraulic pressure already 
confirmed only indicates that the pump is OK because testing was not done while 
trying to engage the OD. My understanding is that OD engagement is the 
accumulator's function and the pump's role is to pressurise the accumulator for 
this task before OD engagement. A definitive test of accumulator condition 
seems to be how well it holds pressure after the engine is switched off! 

_____________________

Neil McDonald

 

Email: nmcd10 at gmail.com

 





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